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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2015, 10:16:43 pm »
As for any suggestion that the initiating tip message itself should be limited to a dedicated thread, that is as preposterous as saying people cannot give a +5% except in a dedicated thread.

I agree with this, but I also think the bot should be changed to eliminate the extra posts. Many people continue to comment about the spam aspect of the bot (which I am sympathetic towards),  but fail to acknowledge that point has been discussed ad nauseum. Let's just agree that aspect will be dealt with and move on to how.

Freebieservers suggested the info currently provided in a separate post could be added to the signature area as a tooltip / hover help. Another suggestion is to move it to PMs. I like the signature option myself, as it also preserves the context within which the tip is provided. I'm sure there are other ways this info can be presented that won't spam the threads, at least no more than "bump", +5% or ^^^THIS etc.

I presume it's fairly easy to update the SMF DB to add a footer or other markup to a msg with the tipbot info.

If you have suggestions for improvements offer them up here. But don't complain about spam b/c that issue (not the specific way it will be fixed) has been acknowledged as needed fixing.
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2015, 12:03:31 am »
As I see it, the sharebot is a GREAT idea. Of course maybe not in its final stage now but can you name me one project perfectly handled and finished as the day of today? NONE...

It has so many possibilities, the only misses it can have is the messages which will be fixed I am sure of it.

But how many of you guys have seen a little bit further than their own nose? It is in testing right now, yeah it has some flaws... But tomorrow? Are we working in the same direction? All of us?
Cause I personally can see SO MUCH opportunities marketing wise to this project, as well as a community gatherer movement!!!!
Stop beeng blindfolded and stop killing projects while they still are in the egg... That is not how we will achieve what we all want...

You have my full support for this project, it is a really a great idea IMO.
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2015, 12:23:26 am »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2015, 02:08:38 am »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2015, 05:28:45 am »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #110 on: December 14, 2015, 05:39:48 am »
The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Interesting. I brought up this very thing today, since I've seen several discussions about the forum software.

I figured if we're wanting to switch software, let's go ahead and take more Community control of the administration of the forum as well.

I'm open to ideas and willing to contribute what I can to get that done.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #111 on: December 14, 2015, 08:22:12 am »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

I love people having innovative ideas....

Thanks! 

Yeah also there's a lot of interesting potential with tips/UIAs on the web and even building a Wordpress plugin.  First off you get value indicators on content based on the value of tips each website gets so that can enhance search quality by adding a monetary dimension to rankings.   Monetary indicators are good, but UIA's can also represent reputation.  If Peter Thiel or someone famous gave out his personal social currency UIA tips, people can follow his tips all around the web. (In addition to leaving his footprint on the web, he can also just use it to organize his bookmarks)  It's no longer how many facebook likes you get, but who liked the content and these reputation points are cryptographically secure.   One problem is if you give out personal recommendation points it may be better that you only recognize the first transaction.  Otherwise if the person who receives Thiel points forwards it as a tip to some other website it won't have the same effect as if Thiel himself had sent it.  These points can just be redeemed for stuff Thiel produces like a book or access to his time.   Thus when someone receives Thiel points, they can redeem it for something Thiel offers or sell it to others who want what Thiel offers.... anyways a lot of interesting things you can do.....

This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Yeah I figured it would be a bit complicated to do, but I'm sure we can collaborate with Bitsapphire...
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2015, 11:19:54 am »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Meanwhile, we're still sitting on our asses with a white paper that suggested radical changes to governance and socialising amidst forum members from six months back -_-.
If we expect to go against the mainstream, atleast begin in-house solutions fo coordinate the fight against the mainstream :)

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #113 on: December 14, 2015, 08:20:48 pm »
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Meanwhile, we're still sitting on our asses with a white paper that suggested radical changes to governance and socialising amidst forum members from six months back -_-.
If we expect to go against the mainstream, atleast begin in-house solutions fo coordinate the fight against the mainstream :)

If i had the money myself id pay for it to be done freebie.  unfortunately  the majority prefers our forums to live somewhee in the 1980's.... :/
innovation and a willingness to take risks to change the world is what will make bitshares huge. i guess the only positive i can find in this is that if bitshares doesnt do it, ethereum or another project will. 
Of course that isnt going to do too much to help bitshares marketcap and wont get our community wealthy enough to continue building the new world's systems with a philosophy of freedom.
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2015, 07:26:32 am »
fuzzy, you need some humble entrepreneurial spirit! This is meant as a constructive criticism, please don't take it as a personal attack.

Be humble: You can't blame others if they just don't get your ideas. I've seen this same thing many, many times. Somebody gets cool idea, but after a while gets bitter and discouraged because nobody else doesn't understand how cool it is. Usually it will take lot of time that ideas get understood in a large crowd. You just have to work for it. But you can't be too active, because that will be recieved as spamming and/or forcing it down others' throats. People don't like spamming so there is a big risk that they will turn hostile if they experience something that feels even a little bit spammy.

Be entrepreneurial: You just have to keep iterating. If people don't get interested in it, then you have to find out how to change the product so that potential users start to like it. This process needs lots of trial and error.

My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.

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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2015, 07:38:34 am »
I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip.

This may interest some of you [member=32828]Samupaha[/member] [member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] : https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #116 on: December 15, 2015, 08:06:16 am »
My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.

fully agree.

and if you do some research, the competition is doing not so well either...

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-open-source-creator-leaves-crypto/ - Dogecoin Startup Goes Open Source as Creator Says ‘Peace Out’ to Crypto

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3wufzb/tomorrow_is_the_day_changetip_is_going_to_begin/ - Tomorrow is the day Changetip is going to begin charging for withdrawals tipping is not working even less so with fees
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #117 on: December 15, 2015, 08:55:53 am »
My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.

fully agree.

and if you do some research, the competition is doing not so well either...

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-open-source-creator-leaves-crypto/ - Dogecoin Startup Goes Open Source as Creator Says ‘Peace Out’ to Crypto

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3wufzb/tomorrow_is_the_day_changetip_is_going_to_begin/ - Tomorrow is the day Changetip is going to begin charging for withdrawals tipping is not working even less so with fees

hey do not post stuff like this...

Empirical might give you are long lecture how DOGE became what it is [nothing] due to social tipping

and

fuzzy might be forced to post at least 15 post, because this is more or less a personal attack on him [do not ask why or how] .


So, may I ask you - who needs the truth? Truth is so not spiritually uplifting....
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #118 on: December 15, 2015, 04:17:47 pm »
I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip.

This may interest some of you [member=32828]Samupaha[/member] [member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] : https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148

Let's look at it.  I am all up for conversation about that.  What i'm not up for is someone running a biased poll based on lies (that the bot is out of open beta) that speaks nothing to the merits and only focuses on the negatives. 

I am definitely pissed about that because [member=31]fav[/member] lied and refuses to admit it.  Instead he tries to play it off as me being "emotional" and having nothing to do with A) his absolute incompetence at forming proper polls and B) his unwillingness to apologize for this obvious screw up (attack?). 

people are not idiots fav...they see it.  I promise you that ...so you made that bed.
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Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
« Reply #119 on: December 15, 2015, 07:06:42 pm »
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO

If you were to receive a tip in brownies I hope you would convert it to whatever currency you choose. (I tipped you brownies)