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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process


My main intention has always been to give people around the world a possiblity to enjoy what BitShares is all about.

Thank you for your constant pessimistic way, It allows me to wake up and see there is a world outside BitShares as well.

My apologies Ronny.  Sometimes I wonder if the current internet crowd also talk that nasty when they interact with someone in person.  Perhaps some don't interact in person any more and have forgotten how to be polite.

Maybe they think proper etiquette and a touch of class is not required when they can hide behind an anonymous forum handle.  Perhaps it is good, because it shows us the real person and we can take that into account in valuing their inputs.

Such a coarse culture has pretty much destroyed bitcointalk as a place for civil discussion. 
I had hoped it wouldn't happen here.

Let me try:

"Hey Ronnie.  Awesome video!  Maybe there ought to be a little disclaimer somewhere saying "coming soon" just to manage expectations when they show up to our web site.   Say "hi" to the family and have a great Christmas!"

Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process

If it is a general belief that CCEDK will not deliver I will be happy to stop from this very moment to mention anything about bitshares anywhere. You are obviously very intelligent and knows all about marketing.  So I woul be happy to let you take over.

Maybe its time for the people in this forum putting people down all the time, to actually start creating and offering something back to community instead of negativity and critisizim, so I will be happy to relax from now on and let you and your kind take over and do some nice progressive marketing efforts.

My main intention has always been to give people around the world a possiblity to enjoy what BitShares is all about.

Thank you for your constant pessimistic way, It allows me to wake up and see there is a world outside BitShares as well.

Talking about me in third person, really just confirms me that you have no real interest in what I can do to support Bisthares in general, and to be honest you do make me sad, as I thought I was doing good things.

I didn't really care that you kept making/promoting products that didn't exist months ago when you were just trying to promote your exchange...  The only reason I care now is because you are TAKING peoples money (in the form of Obits).

What you are doing, advertising a non-existant product and selling investments based on this non-existant product, is illegal in many places.

Don't try to play the victim.  I'm not being pessimistic, i'm being realistic.  I'm not out to get you, i'm just doing due diligence.  Hopefully what I, and many others have noticed and reported, will prevent someone from losing money.

Granted you have the easiest opportunity to turn this all around and make us look stupid... DELIVER A PRODUCT!

Edit: All, please read the quote above my message to see the original message CCEDK posted.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 04:11:34 pm by lil_jay890 »

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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process


My main intention has always been to give people around the world a possiblity to enjoy what BitShares is all about.

Thank you for your constant pessimistic way, It allows me to wake up and see there is a world outside BitShares as well.


« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 04:04:38 pm by ccedk »
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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process

Isn't there a simple solution to this: just don't put this video in the public domain until everything what's said there is true.
Otherwise I agree with @lil_jay890 - it will cause more harm than good.

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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process

Isn't there a simple solution to this: just don't put this video in the public domain until everything what's said there is true.
Otherwise I agree with @lil_jay890 - it will cause more harm than good.

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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.

Remember, all that stuff in the video that doesn't exist is only a "few" weeks away... A response he had been using for the last 6 months for the same features.

Maybe this guy went to some prestigious marketing school that teaches you to advertise non resistant products... To me it sounds more and more like a con in process

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Nanocard- doesn't work with CCEDK
Paypal- not integrated with CCEDK

Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

You realize that when someone watches this, they will assume what you are promoting is already possible right? A use case is 100% meant to be: "This is what I want to do, can you do it?" If the answer is anything other than "Yes, we can do it right now" you should make that clear, otherwise people will think you are full of shit.
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Fiat gateway will be available first/second week of January and only people whitelisted in the sense that they have been validated on CCEDK will be able to have access to any of the below mentioned features. In coming week I will be doing a mailout telling all interested parties who wish to be able to trade with fiatpegged crypto what are the procedures needed prior to making this fully functional on platform.

Paypal is done and ready on CCEDk but awaiting Paypal tech department for final go. Expected available early january

Ripple gateway is fully integrated and done on CCEDK waiting for validation, expected to be settled in coming days, and then ready for launch early january

Nanocard is being activated on the base of three steps right now on CCEDK.

1st is the fiat version, meaniing you are already now able to order and activate a debit card on CCEDK based on fiat.
2nd step, is when seasons holidays are over early january, as bitcoin support will be added for a bitcoin activated card to work.
3rd step is expected end of january and will involve adding other crypto as support for NanoCard, like OBITS, BTS, NBT to begin with.

All of above is on CCEDK

Once multisig function is fully working on OpenLedger we will will then be able to add all of the above there as well, and that part is not in the hands of me or CCEDK, but is in the hands of the BitShares community and shareholders, and as far as I know it is not yet operational, but maybe I am wrong.

We will need a group of people to assist once the multisig part will be possible to connect.

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That's very good news.
Well done, @ccedk

 +5% btw my Nanocard is working fine, until now with bit-x ..

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Where can we find answers of quoted questions?

So, every news story on this just needs to get commented with a link to openledger.info.

Be creative.  Just say:  "Nice web site at openledger.info"  or something.

That helps establish prior existence everywhere.

:)



great idea to use as a community quest that pays out in bitshares and other sponsored/donated tokens. 

"For every post you write and link to as proof we will give you 500 bts, 200 Brownies, 300 Obits and.....(fill in the blank).


@Stan, @fuzzy @anyone in this thread...

You guys behave like OL is bitshares... should I say they are not quite the same, very much the opposite is true.

Let's look at the facts.

- The Obits offering is sketchy, to say the least. Profit sharing is fine, details are gold [severely lacking details in this case].  How about anwering some of those question, instead of the never arriving into reality card:
What will happen if not all Obits are sold? What percent of the income will go to the one actually sold? What will happen to the unsold ones?

-basic explanation why the Obits sells are needed in the firs place would be also good... but no one cares to mention why they need 1 mil or so USD, and/ or what they will do with that cash

- Proceed of obits sells are used to simply dump BTS on the exchanges. It might be unavoidable evil if it was clear what the money are needed for, but OL hates explaining facts of life (great words for the departed or the one yet to come, is their strength, it seems)

-If the above is not bad enough, instead of efforts to improve in someway its core business (exchange on the bts chain), the money are used to buy all kind of unrelated and semi-related businesses (casinos, advertising networks, tipping bots etc.)

- The way this 'exchange' is run is also a big suspect... I often think the guy was indeed journalist responsible for the obits section of some newspaper... great media contact and total lack of idea what he is doing on the exchange side (aka core business). What I mean? well, I semi get that bitAssets are a total screw up in their mind so they rather not touch them but run their own UIAs -OPENBTCs and the like... but even those IOUs are totally totally ridiculously done.... you send your btc and you get some OpenBTC... then you have to sell them for enormous premium to get into BTS...things get even more crazy if you want to exit the system... Currently, OL do not care to offer their OPENBTC  for anything close to market rate... actually they do not care to offer them AT all for people wanting to take their btc out...some random guy is left to do that for them...and he is asking for 160,000 BTS/BTC with a market rate in the 125,000 range...


So, let's get some money to everyone promoting the above nonsense, shell we?
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Why do you continues to advertise things that don't exist?

Plus,  Whats with the hand drawing thing?  You can tell it's not drawing any of the images.

This is a usecase meant to be used, well, as a use case all year long as well as the year after.

You are allowed to  have your own opinion on what is happening on CCEDK, and I will keep saying what I believe is going to happen.

A use case is not meant to be exact here and now, but able to build momentum and create interest for the future.

Hi. You do a great job, but you hurt you reputation by presenting your achievements bad way. You continue to advertise things which you are not ready to deliver as if they are already delivered. This is confusing and repel potential users off. You really don't need to do this. What you have delivered up to now is impressive enough. I mean open ledger gui and a bridge.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 12:35:16 am by yvv »

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Fiat gateway will be available first/second week of January and only people whitelisted in the sense that they have been validated on CCEDK will be able to have access to any of the below mentioned features. In coming week I will be doing a mailout telling all interested parties who wish to be able to trade with fiatpegged crypto what are the procedures needed prior to making this fully functional on platform.

Paypal is done and ready on CCEDk but awaiting Paypal tech department for final go. Expected available early january

Ripple gateway is fully integrated and done on CCEDK waiting for validation, expected to be settled in coming days, and then ready for launch early january

Nanocard is being activated on the base of three steps right now on CCEDK.

1st is the fiat version, meaniing you are already now able to order and activate a debit card on CCEDK based on fiat.
2nd step, is when seasons holidays are over early january, as bitcoin support will be added for a bitcoin activated card to work.
3rd step is expected end of january and will involve adding other crypto as support for NanoCard, like OBITS, BTS, NBT to begin with.

All of above is on CCEDK

Once multisig function is fully working on OpenLedger we will will then be able to add all of the above there as well, and that part is not in the hands of me or CCEDK, but is in the hands of the BitShares community and shareholders, and as far as I know it is not yet operational, but maybe I am wrong.

We will need a group of people to assist once the multisig part will be possible to connect.

... so you have not been busy at all then ronnie  :P  This is all very good news and much kudos to you sir  +5%

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Great job ronnie. Thats a good video that we need to get out there.
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I don't know if it's still too early to show but I feel it should have showed the Exchange's interface. When people see something nice they immediately feel the need to check it out. So I think that should have been included somewhere to give a very simple preview, just to get people excited and curious about it. Don't know if it's too early for that though since we're still improving it.

Another thing is the youtube thumbnail, when I post it on social media it appears a random image from the video where it should show the first image when the video starts, the purple/blueish bakcground with the OpenLedger logo. Don't know how to do that though.

Other than that, it's nice to finally have something to share that is easy to understand
« Last Edit: December 23, 2015, 12:17:01 am by Akado »
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A 2 minute pitch to last a Life time - The OpenLedger way!

A 2 minute invitation for something great - Enjoy!

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- It is meant for the world to use, the sooner the better!

OpenLedger - Smart Trading Decentralised

https://youtu.be/--CivEZvTxU


"to invest in the company "


You might want to use different language there. Obits aren't investments in the company and if Open Ledger exists as a legally registered business then it could cause confusion.

OpenLedger - Smart Trading Decentralized
Unlike other cryptocurrencies, OBITS is based on profits generated from companies that are involved in making OpenLedger a decentralized smart trading platform.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/12/19/exclusive-newsbtc-interviews-ronny-boesing-from-ccedk-and-obits/
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The video says you can trade assets and stay anonymous, but how is that possible? I thought that stealth accounts could not place trades.

Is there another kind of anonymity in OpenLedger? Even the usernames associated with individual trade orders are public. See http://cryptofresh.com/a/USD

What is your definition of anonymous? All trades on OpenLedger is what it claims it is, an open book, but any users trading on the platform decide whether they want to tell their name or not, they are anonymous untill they get whitelisted on platform and enabled to trade with fiat achived via coming gateway on USD, EUR and CNY.
I see. Thanks for explaining.