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Offline FaSan

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 01:52:58 pm »
Hello FaSan,
What I said was that this salary was too high for 1 person to receive.
This salary should be distributed to a team of "employees" + used for bounties and not only received by 1 person to be sat on like a golden egg.
Therefore, I support Newmine as long as he sends you the 20% for your role. If you decide to recruit a team and put this salary to good use, I will support you instead.
To avoid any doubt, I do appreciate the work you've done for the coin, but I'm sure you'd agree that the pay you've received was very high thus far.
I think you deserve more than 20% when the sheet is clean, but right now 20% sounds right (since you've received 100% for more than 200 payments).


Who are you for tell how much value my work, and work of another people ? I've 40 y.o. and all my life spend to study and to work everytime in new big projects. I work some advisor and many big company in the r.l. pay me very much for my services. Of course, for unlucky people can looking very much, but it's not. Background have a value. Time have a value.

I don't come to your boss and tell to pay you more cheap, every people have a value and if you deserve this value amount come to be more during your life.

On a startup, all projects need money for make all good and working. Every people in the staff worked for it. And the earning from blocks come to be more little every time.

FreeTrade, emre & s4l1h, belltown and seraphim it's a really good staff, good synergies, and working togheter very well. You and Newmine don't have reason to crash it. Onlyone reason is to destroy the coin.

Stop to lost your time for be unlucky and start to use your time for make something good for the community. You will take back something.



This is my cent.



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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2014, 02:38:31 pm »
Who are you for tell how much value my work, and work of another people ?
I'm part of the community who votes for my preferred candidate.

I don't come to your boss and tell to pay you more cheap.
True, and in case you didn't notice, the community is your "boss" and thus if the community decides you are getting paid too much, as they did, nothing can be done against it other than doing what is expected of you - recruiting a team and using the CNO salary to create more CNO-related features which will increase the value of the coin.

FreeTrade, emre & s4l1h, belltown and seraphim it's a really good staff, good synergies, and working togheter very well. You and Newmine don't have reason to crash it. Onlyone reason is to destroy the coin.
So all I want is to destroy the coin? Funny... I have almost 10k MMCs so believe me, I want this coin to succeed and by being the new CMO I promise to do my best to make it happen.

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2014, 02:53:21 pm »
Really what needs to happen is people need to do the work first, then announce their candidacy attached to the work they've already done proving they are worth the time and money.   

This is not a perfect system, but it's much better than what results here which is people arguing over what they would do when really it would be better if all them just did it and then based on their results were voted on by the community.  Paying people in advance, constantly, 24hrs a day means that the person either has to perform IMMEDIATELY upon taking the role or risk someone else coming along and making bigger promises. 

Neither one has delivered so reality doesn't matter, the bigger promise from the more convincing person should win.   Unfortunately picking candidates based on big promises paid for in advance isn't very ideal.  Would be better if there were daily or weekly awards going to specific objectives that could then be voted on, so instead of CMO it would be "10,000MMC to whoever is most successful at promoting MMC this week" with that many coins maturing every week.   Then everybody who wants a chance at the prize actually does work for the project, and the community rewards the most effective.
 
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2014, 03:00:19 pm »
Really what needs to happen is people need to do the work first, then announce their candidacy attached to the work they've already done proving they are worth the time and money.   

This is not a perfect system, but it's much better than what results here which is people arguing over what they would do when really it would be better if all them just did it and then based on their results were voted on by the community.  Paying people in advance, constantly, 24hrs a day means that the person either has to perform IMMEDIATELY upon taking the role or risk someone else coming along and making bigger promises. 

Neither one has delivered so reality doesn't matter, the bigger promise from the more convincing person should win.   Unfortunately picking candidates based on big promises paid for in advance isn't very ideal.  Would be better if there were daily or weekly awards going to specific objectives that could then be voted on, so instead of CMO it would be "10,000MMC to whoever is most successful at promoting MMC this week" with that many coins maturing every week.   Then everybody who wants a chance at the prize actually does work for the project, and the community rewards the most effective.
 

I totally agree with that.
The current system, as we've seen especially in the CMO role, is flawed.
But there isn't much that can be done now (unless there are plans for MMC3...?) other than HOPING you are voting for someone that would actually perform.
Also, I hope that more people in the community will vote as it seems only a handful of people really care...
When that happens, the hammer will hit very quickly on the non-performing head.
As you say, it's not ideal, but still, that is the situation and we have to make the best out of it.


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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2014, 03:17:52 pm »
Who are you for tell how much value my work, and work of another people ? I've 40 y.o. and all my life spend to study and to work everytime in new big projects. I work some advisor and many big company in the r.l. pay me very much for my services. Of course, for unlucky people can looking very much, but it's not. Background have a value. Time have a value.

I agree with you and I know you're doing highly skilled work. $300/day is not excessive at all - about $100,000/year.
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2014, 03:20:25 pm »
Both ways work.
emre & s4l1h got elected cto based on what they already did.
I got elected cso because I announced to set up a team. Couldn't have done that without having the coins to pay them.
itsik78 also has good chances of getting elected for the same idea, again, he can only create a team when he got the coins.

Both of us who are currently elected are struggling to not get outvoted by Newmine's supporters. Because they don't care what's being done, despite everything they say. If they take the cso office and keep on saying 20% is enough, I won't be able to keep as many people working on support issues as there are now.

As we can see with the cmo position, people will get sacked when they don't deliver. Votes are counted every 2 hours, so it can happen any time.
It's the responsibility of the community to select a good candidate, or spoil the vote if there's none.
With only 3-8% of coins voting, around half of those voting for "themselves", and only about two candidates per office, I think the way the community handles this is much more of a problem than any existing candidate out there who is at least doing something.
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2014, 03:23:05 pm »

Neither one has delivered so reality doesn't matter, the bigger promise from the more convincing person should win.   Unfortunately picking candidates based on big promises paid for in advance isn't very ideal.  Would be better if there were daily or weekly awards going to specific objectives that could then be voted on, so instead of CMO it would be "10,000MMC to whoever is most successful at promoting MMC this week" with that many coins maturing every week.   Then everybody who wants a chance at the prize actually does work for the project, and the community rewards the most effective.
 

Sounds a lot like MemoryCoin 1 - the problem is that is really difficult to get that level of interest from shareholders to evaluate and vote on each project. I think proxy voting could help - where shareholders can delegate voting to people they trust, but still retain control of it.

I think your prize model could work - ABL announces he is running for the CMO role, and will award 10,000 MMC to whoever is most successful at promotion this week, minus say a 10% fee admin and campaign fees. Having humans in the loop makes it quite flexible.
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2014, 03:30:20 pm »

Neither one has delivered so reality doesn't matter, the bigger promise from the more convincing person should win.   Unfortunately picking candidates based on big promises paid for in advance isn't very ideal.  Would be better if there were daily or weekly awards going to specific objectives that could then be voted on, so instead of CMO it would be "10,000MMC to whoever is most successful at promoting MMC this week" with that many coins maturing every week.   Then everybody who wants a chance at the prize actually does work for the project, and the community rewards the most effective.
 

Sounds a lot like MemoryCoin 1 - the problem is that is really difficult to get that level of interest from shareholders to evaluate and vote on each project. I think proxy voting could help - where shareholders can delegate voting to people they trust, but still retain control of it.

I think your prize model could work - ABL announces he is running for the CMO role, and will award 10,000 MMC to whoever is most successful at promotion this week, minus say a 10% fee admin and campaign fees. Having humans in the loop makes it quite flexible.

I'm calling these hybrid solutions Proof-of-Value.  Basically the humans in the loop whether it's one manager or a reddit style crowdsource are determining and ranking the value of contribution as the proof of work for those coins being distributed.
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2014, 05:11:01 pm »
Well, to end this discussion, you finally get a candidate: MVTEcmoP92qAeS8nMmM41pQJxmMgeJP4N8
Read more: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1879.0

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2014, 05:22:10 pm »
Well, to end this discussion, you finally get a candidate: MVTEcmoP92qAeS8nMmM41pQJxmMgeJP4N8
Read more: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1879.0

I don't think the CMO funds are intended for charity. Saying that you will communicate the mesage about MMC while handing out the charity coins does not justify another $10k / month to me.
I will wait for itsik78 his voting account.

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2014, 05:25:18 pm »
Well, to end this discussion, you finally get a candidate: MVTEcmoP92qAeS8nMmM41pQJxmMgeJP4N8
Read more: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1879.0

I don't think the CMO funds are intended for charity. Saying that you will communicate the mesage about MMC while handing out the charity coins does not justify another $10k / month to me.
I will wait for itsik78 his voting account.

Your answer implies you have not read my post :)
I'm currently getting 0.0 for managing the Charity Award.

And yes I'm opposing itsik78's approach thats why I stepped up.

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2014, 05:27:55 pm »
Both of us who are currently elected are struggling to not get outvoted by Newmine's supporters. Because they don't care what's being done, despite everything they say.

Not true, at least for me.
I really like what itsik78 has to say about how he will handle the CMO position and I honestly believes he understands what FreeTrade is doing with his pre-mine scheme as much as other NewMine supporters do.
I will give him a fair chance to prove himself and not vote for NewMine on that one.

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2014, 05:29:59 pm »
I'm currently getting 0.0 for managing the Charity Award.

Isn't that what charity is all about? About not being selfish and doing something for someone else without financial gain for yourself?
This is exactly why I'm voting for itsik78

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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2014, 05:35:18 pm »
Your answer implies you have not read my post :)
I'm currently getting 0.0 for managing the Charity Award.

I know it probably doesn't feel right to you, but I think it would be appropriate for you to take a fee for administrating that. I think shareholders would rather see the job done properly for a reasonable fee if they can be confident that the awards are being made well. I think the key is to keep it reasonable and be transparent about the funds.
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Re: It seems we have no CMO anymore
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2014, 05:39:27 pm »
I think the key is to keep it reasonable and be transparent....

With the questions that are being raised against you and you not answering any of the critical issues, I think you are the last person on earth that should make a statement like this.