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why bts lack users????????
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:37:03 am »
why??????

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 04:53:47 am »
那是因为对BTS期望太低。在好的技术,也都是为民服务,民不用有个屁用,几个屌丝天天BB收高额手续费,就算是大面积推广了,别人一看手续费比现行支付系统还高谁还玩,没人这又哪来得前途?想象一下如果R3央妈搞出的数字货币比现行的收费还高,你看看谁会用。

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 04:56:34 am »
why??????
maybe everybody have known that they have to pay for development and high fees when they join us.
anyway, in this year, I never introduce BTS to my friend or anybody else.
and a lot of people which I know as an active community memeber have left BTS.

because we belive we deserve the higher payment because of our NiuBilitiy techincal, but nobody else think so
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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 05:03:21 am »
why??????
maybe everybody have known that they have to pay for development and high fees when they join us.
anyway, in this year, I never introduce BTS to my friend or anybody else.
and a lot of people which I know as an active community memeber have left BTS.

because we belive we deserve the higher payment because of our NiuBilitiy techincal, but nobody else think so

it's just a few people's toy
give me money, I will do...

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 05:07:34 am »
why??????
maybe everybody have known that they have to pay for development and high fees when they join us.
anyway, in this year, I never introduce BTS to my friend or anybody else.
and a lot of people which I know as an active community memeber have left BTS.

because we belive we deserve the higher payment because of our NiuBilitiy techincal, but nobody else think so

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 05:29:04 am »
Because people don't need crypto in general .

Because people only need blockchain technology , they don't necessary want to pay for a speculative object . Sooner or later , if people does want to use this tech , there will be companies build a platform using bitshares/ethereum/bitcoin code and disregard the allocation . And they will provide better development (really,someone want to tell me how awesome the team is that even Google throw out 100000 million USD they couldn't find 100 people like them ????  ), better service , better network effect  .

Speculation is the only thing that's keeping a easy-to-copy software code on tens of  millions of marketcap . Usage/applications on the news is just topic for speculation world .

And BitShares killed speculative drive on the ground of getting more users . Even merger,dilution , was an excuse to get more users (and pay for development in the process) .

But users are picky . They won't show up just because you can do 1 sec transaction or you claim you can dilute forever that you have enough development to add value . They like to go with a company that can provide nice service . Godaddy , ebay ..etc ....

Speculation and their capital/liquidity contribution is the only value in BitShares . Users' usage depends on the value that the speculators provides .

When you make speculators/capital scared to come in , you make marketcap low . When you make marketcap low , users won't have decent liquidity to use your service . It's all connected .

I think the only thing that can save BitShares now is cut cost , cut big dreams , big plans ,  stop and burn dilution , and use outside funding to fund basic development and let them pay for a common platform . Stop taking money from where there is no money to be taken . Find money in where is plenty of money.

And don't tell me about Bitcoin mining is the same as BItShares dilution . I know a lot of BItcoin miners shutdown their mining when the price is too low . But that's hardly happened in BitShares . When BTS price is low , the magic word is "dilute on market rate " .

I know bitcoin miners buy Bitcoin when the price is low . DO bitshares dilution do that ?

oops , I've become a FUDer . ....

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 05:38:36 am »
no ez to find sticky thread containing instructions for:

My Bitshares-PTS wallet contained PTS when the snapshot to transfer PTS to BTS occurred. I have finally set up my Bitshares 2.0 wallet and successfully pulled in my old btsx wallet. However, I can't figure out how to get my old PTS wallet info in to be exchanged for BTS. I went back and imported the PTS wallet.dat into my old Bitshares .9.3 wallet and then tried to reimport that into Bitshares 2 but was unsuccessful. The error was that it had already been imported.



You own the network, but who pays for development?



Technology is for you, or for the general public?

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 07:07:55 am »
Because people don't need crypto in general .

Because people only need blockchain technology , they don't necessary want to pay for a speculative object . Sooner or later , if people does want to use this tech , there will be companies build a platform using bitshares/ethereum/bitcoin code and disregard the allocation . And they will provide better development (really,someone want to tell me how awesome the team is that even Google throw out 100000 million USD they couldn't find 100 people like them ????  ), better service , better network effect  .

Speculation is the only thing that's keeping a easy-to-copy software code on tens of  millions of marketcap . Usage/applications on the news is just topic for speculation world .

And BitShares killed speculative drive on the ground of getting more users . Even merger,dilution , was an excuse to get more users (and pay for development in the process) .

But users are picky . They won't show up just because you can do 1 sec transaction or you claim you can dilute forever that you have enough development to add value . They like to go with a company that can provide nice service . Godaddy , ebay ..etc ....

Speculation and their capital/liquidity contribution is the only value in BitShares . Users' usage depends on the value that the speculators provides .

When you make speculators/capital scared to come in , you make marketcap low . When you make marketcap low , users won't have decent liquidity to use your service . It's all connected .

I think the only thing that can save BitShares now is cut cost , cut big dreams , big plans ,  stop and burn dilution , and use outside funding to fund basic development and let them pay for a common platform . Stop taking money from where there is no money to be taken . Find money in where is plenty of money.

And don't tell me about Bitcoin mining is the same as BItShares dilution . I know a lot of BItcoin miners shutdown their mining when the price is too low . But that's hardly happened in BitShares . When BTS price is low , the magic word is "dilute on market rate " .

I know bitcoin miners buy Bitcoin when the price is low . DO bitshares dilution do that ?

oops , I've become a FUDer . ....

beautifully stated. i disagree at times with you but this is definitely at least pretty close.
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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 07:36:35 am »
it's the 30BTS fees.

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2016, 09:26:44 am »
fba mode is good
you use bts as tools platform  to  do business
share the income with bts    the developer get the large part

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 03:47:35 pm »
Simply this:



This is why we are not seeing any growth in the smartcoin market.  The lending market will fix this as I have outlined in this post. 

In order to become profitable bitshares has to solve a real-world problem that has not already been solved.  Right now it doesn't completely solve a real-world problem, but it is 90% of the way there.  Stealth, by itself, does not solve a real world problem that has not already been solved but it is necessary.  The two things on the docket that will allow bitshares to solve a real world problem are the lending market and the prediction market.  The lending market, in conjunction with the creation of the most popular physical commodity markets and equity market indicies, and making of these markets will solve a real world problem that has never been solved before in a decentralized fashion.  Maker will be helpful too. 

Once stealth is done, we should go full force and fund the lending market and prediction market (at the same time if possible) through cnx, no matter what the cost.  The cost will be worse if we don't.


And don't tell me about Bitcoin mining is the same as BItShares dilution . I know a lot of BItcoin miners shutdown their mining when the price is too low . But that's hardly happened in BitShares . When BTS price is low , the magic word is "dilute on market rate " .

That is a good point.  Development doesn't get cheaper as prices fall.

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 03:54:47 pm »
Because people don't need crypto in general .

Because people only need blockchain technology , they don't necessary want to pay for a speculative object . Sooner or later , if people does want to use this tech , there will be companies build a platform using bitshares/ethereum/bitcoin code and disregard the allocation . And they will provide better development (really,someone want to tell me how awesome the team is that even Google throw out 100000 million USD they couldn't find 100 people like them ????  ), better service , better network effect  .

Speculation is the only thing that's keeping a easy-to-copy software code on tens of  millions of marketcap . Usage/applications on the news is just topic for speculation world .

And BitShares killed speculative drive on the ground of getting more users . Even merger,dilution , was an excuse to get more users (and pay for development in the process) .

But users are picky . They won't show up just because you can do 1 sec transaction or you claim you can dilute forever that you have enough development to add value . They like to go with a company that can provide nice service . Godaddy , ebay ..etc ....

Speculation and their capital/liquidity contribution is the only value in BitShares . Users' usage depends on the value that the speculators provides .

When you make speculators/capital scared to come in , you make marketcap low . When you make marketcap low , users won't have decent liquidity to use your service . It's all connected .

I think the only thing that can save BitShares now is cut cost , cut big dreams , big plans ,  stop and burn dilution , and use outside funding to fund basic development and let them pay for a common platform . Stop taking money from where there is no money to be taken . Find money in where is plenty of money.

And don't tell me about Bitcoin mining is the same as BItShares dilution . I know a lot of BItcoin miners shutdown their mining when the price is too low . But that's hardly happened in BitShares . When BTS price is low , the magic word is "dilute on market rate " .

I know bitcoin miners buy Bitcoin when the price is low . DO bitshares dilution do that ?

oops , I've become a FUDer . ....

Well considering we are only paying around $250 a day for developement from SVK, Xeroc, Bill Butler(MIA) and cass.  This is a pretty good deal.  The documentation is getting better and so is the interface.  The problem is when CNX comes in and runs a huge worker proposal.  It dilutes like crazy and it passes with hardly any friction at all... It just furthers the thought that bts is centralized.

I'm a big fan of what Abit has done with the percentage based fees.  It's great to see outside devs doing things for the project.

Overall the ecosystem is growing.  Productive UIA's are coming out and some third parties (OPENPOS and odoo) are starting to implement bts and smart coins.  I look forward to seeing what freebie is doing and the addition of fiat on ramps from CCEDK.  CNX seems to have stepped back from bts and has focused on stealth and maybe some other things.  Their github has been quite and I think this is a good thing.

Investors hate uncertainty and bts is about as uncertain as you can get.

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 04:03:53 pm »
Well considering we are only paying around $250 a day for developement from SVK, Xeroc, Bill Butler(MIA) and cass.  This is a pretty good deal.  The documentation is getting better and so is the interface.  The problem is when CNX comes in and runs a huge worker proposal.  It dilutes like crazy and it passes with hardly any friction at all... It just furthers the thought that bts is centralized.

I'm a big fan of what Abit has done with the percentage based fees.  It's great to see outside devs doing things for the project.

Overall the ecosystem is growing.  Productive UIA's are coming out and some third parties (OPENPOS and odoo) are starting to implement bts and smart coins.  I look forward to seeing what freebie is doing and the addition of fiat on ramps from CCEDK.  CNX seems to have stepped back from bts and has focused on stealth and maybe some other things.  Their github has been quite and I think this is a good thing.

Investors hate uncertainty and bts is about as uncertain as you can get.

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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 04:06:21 pm »
Simply this:



This is why we are not seeing any growth in the smartcoin market.  The lending market will fix this as I have outlined in this post. 

In order to become profitable bitshares has to solve a real-world problem that has not already been solved.  Right now it doesn't completely solve a real-world problem, but it is 90% of the way there.  Stealth, by itself, does not solve a real world problem that has not already been solved but it is necessary.  The two things on the docket that will allow bitshares to solve a real world problem are the lending market and the prediction market.  The lending market, in conjunction with the creation of the most popular physical commodity markets and equity market indicies, and making of these markets will solve a real world problem that has never been solved before in a decentralized fashion.  Maker will be helpful too. 

Once stealth is done, we should go full force and fund the lending market and prediction market (at the same time if possible) through cnx, no matter what the cost.  The cost will be worse if we don't.


And don't tell me about Bitcoin mining is the same as BItShares dilution . I know a lot of BItcoin miners shutdown their mining when the price is too low . But that's hardly happened in BitShares . When BTS price is low , the magic word is "dilute on market rate " .

That is a good point.  Development doesn't get cheaper as prices fall.

I'm with you.. I actually was hoping to see more feedback from others in your thread but saw nothing.

Are there any regulatory issues we may face in creating lending markets like this?
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Re: why bts lack users????????
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 04:28:31 pm »
just want to remind people they can very easily get TRYBITSHARES from me to hand out on social media.  The idea is that instead of telling them how great bts is...you give them some TRYBITSHARES tokens and let them setuo a wallet and withdraw them ...in a tx that takes less than 3 seconds. 

We have tools at our disposal. We simply need to get bts into the hands of people who will check it out. 

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