OBITS HODLERs, your money is in danger.

[xeroc]

a) @bitcrab hasn't screwed anyone over yet
b) he merely proposed a change and started reasoning about it
c) people feel engaged by the proposal and rather kick him out of the committee than reason with him

We are yet to see a fully developed fee schedule that makes sense ..
Instead of turning this into a witch hunt, please take your time and fill out these forms:
https://github.com/BitShares-Committee/Instructions/blob/master/usd-denominated-fees/config-example.py
You can define your preferred USD-denominated fee for every operations, then post it publicly to discuss.

[fuzzy]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.

Seriously, @bitcrab who the hell are you and why should I vote for a "person" with no name, no face, or way to come get your ass when you f*ck over everything I am working on?

show your ass first please.

LOL..

@bitcrab i think he means noone knows who you are in real life and that it is hard to trust someone if there is little consequence to them for screwing someone over. 

[bitcrab]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.

Seriously, @bitcrab who the hell are you and why should I vote for a "person" with no name, no face, or way to come get your ass when you f*ck over everything I am working on?

show your ass first please.

[Shentist]

pls move it to the obits section.

[Bhuz]

By the way, who do I have to vote for in order to support the known humans?

I am a human.  I am willing to verify this by completing captchas if needed.

I have problems with captchas sometimes...  ...am I...  ...am I a computer?! 

[puppies]

By the way, who do I have to vote for in order to support the known humans?

I am a human.  I am willing to verify this by completing captchas if needed.

[yvv]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.

If they can not make profit without referral income, their tokens are worthless.

[fav]

thanks for the info, but I thought I could only vote people "in"

If BitCrab is indeed Poloniex, and he just wants to lower his fees when transferring customer funds, then we might be in trouble fellas.

Let me know when the vote is being held so I can send my BTS to CCEDK.

bitcrab has no connection to poloniex (hopefully).

and ccedk does not vote at all with their user funds. (how it should be)

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/board,104.0.html check out proxies

[JonnyB]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

He has too much power, and is getting use of an exchanges votes.
He previously bullied the committee in to suspending forced settlement because he's done his maths wrong.
He is very pushy and I think he needd less votes.

[fav]

@fav @kenCode don't you think you guys are over reacting.  If it somehow goes through (the proposal), then BM can vote in his delegates and restore the higher fee.

no, that's not how it works.

[topcandle]

@fav @kenCode don't you think you guys are over reacting.  If it somehow goes through (the proposal), then BM can vote in his delegates and restore the higher fee.

[wallace]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.

Seriously, @bitcrab who the hell are you and why should I vote for a "person" with no name, no face, or way to come get your ass when you f*ck over everything I am working on?

calm down, man... nobody is wrong here, we just stick to what we think is right

[kenCode]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.

Seriously, @bitcrab who the hell are you and why should I vote for a "person" with no name, no face, or way to come get your ass when you f*ck over everything I am working on?

[CoinHoarder]

I will personally pull out of anything related with BitShares if this is voted out, as I will have no belief or incentive in the continuous pull for getting BTS and OpenLedger known worldwide.

Corporate fascism has arrived folks. Ironically someone I was debating about Bitshares warned me about it a week ago.

He offers everyone the smallest (overpriced) piece of the pie possible by offering OBITS for sale, and thus now he has a small army of keyboard warriors defending his interests at very little cost. The OBITS shareholders don't seem to realize just how small a piece of the pie they actually own judging by them defending Open Ledger's interests religiously. Well played Ronnie, well played. If I have to choose in between China and Open Ledger, I choose China all day long.

[giant middle finger]

do do

lol, note to self, no proofreading while stoned


















oh, sorry, left the mic on

[giant middle finger]

SWEET!

Our first big Ripple/Stellar breakup fork!

Will BitSharesX2 be sharedropping on BTS???

Or maybe we are making too big a deal about this temporary BitShares 2.0 blinded transactions special introductory offer to try before you buy (a lifetime membership)

Then 3 months later, the fees go back to normal, and we have 100x the number of users, and Ronny makes his killing.

What am I missing?

I thought that this was just a special promotional launch marketing initiative.

We do do "marketing" right?

[abit]

Some data related to DacPlay here (dig from the block chain data):

bts.api (registrar):
Lifetime fees paid   58,100 BTS
Cashback   82,300 BTS
Registered Accounts (200+)

cryptofresh (referrer, but also a referrer of OpenLedger): 
Lifetime fees paid   34,900 BTS
Cashback   90d - 14,820 / 27,830 BTS
Referred Accounts (50)

btsabc (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   20,140 BTS
Cashback   90d - 2,100 / 6,620 BTS
Referred Accounts (69)

ebit (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   7,620 BTS
Cashback   242.3 BTS
Referred Accounts (29)

www.bts-hk (referrer):
Cashback   64.2 BTS
Referred Accounts (11)

Where are you going with this?

I dont see you mention Openledger account? and this one was promoted 2 weeks after dac.play has introduced their referral system out of the blue without any prior co ordination with the bts network

and I guess it only shows that not much action is taking place on dac,play registered referred users, well maybe I am wrong in thi sentence, but just my observation.

I just dig out some data (from https://cryptofresh.com/) and post here, for whom has interest in it. Neutrally.

Sure dac.play didn't issue their own assets nor trading pairs. I don't know if they made other marketing efforts.

[openledger]

Some data related to DacPlay here (dig from the block chain data):

bts.api (registrar):
Lifetime fees paid   58,100 BTS
Cashback   82,300 BTS
Registered Accounts (200+)

cryptofresh (referrer, but also a referrer of OpenLedger): 
Lifetime fees paid   34,900 BTS
Cashback   90d - 14,820 / 27,830 BTS
Referred Accounts (50)

btsabc (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   20,140 BTS
Cashback   90d - 2,100 / 6,620 BTS
Referred Accounts (69)

ebit (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   7,620 BTS
Cashback   242.3 BTS
Referred Accounts (29)

www.bts-hk (referrer):
Cashback   64.2 BTS
Referred Accounts (11)

Where are you going with this?

I dont see you mention Openledger account? and this one was promoted 2 weeks after dac.play has introduced their referral system out of the blue without any prior co ordination with the bts network

and I guess it only shows that not much action is taking place on dac,play registered referred users, well maybe I am wrong in thi sentence, but just my observation.

[Ben Mason]

The referral system is imperative for incentivising new businesses to refer their customers to BitShares. Openledger has been smashing it lately and I expect other companies are looking at utilising referral. We need to have patience and support here.

Bitcrab i think it's great that you are actively working to find solutions and improve the network, really great. I realise that you are putting forward ideas....nothing wrong with that. I do hope this particular suggestion is given a great deal of thought and rationalisation. Keep up the good work!

[abit]

Some data related to DacPlay here (dig from the block chain data):

bts.api (registrar):
Lifetime fees paid   58,100 BTS
Cashback   82,300 BTS
Registered Accounts (200+)

cryptofresh (referrer, but also a referrer of OpenLedger): 
Lifetime fees paid   34,900 BTS
Cashback   90d - 14,820 / 27,830 BTS
Referred Accounts (50)

btsabc (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   20,140 BTS
Cashback   90d - 2,100 / 6,620 BTS
Referred Accounts (69)

ebit (referrer):
Lifetime fees paid   7,620 BTS
Cashback   242.3 BTS
Referred Accounts (29)

www.bts-hk (referrer):
Cashback   64.2 BTS
Referred Accounts (11)

[openledger]

It is my firm belief that the referral system is one of the best incentives for future growth on BitShares platform.

It has not worked on dac.play so I guess the asumption is then that it will not work on OpenLedger and similar as well, but that is a completely wrong attitude, and I will personally pull out of anything related with BitShares if this is voted out, as I will have no belief or incentive in the continous pull for getting BTS and OpenLedger known worldwide.

Now I said it, and I will not repeat it, but the whole business is built around inviting marketeers to get involved and taking away an incentive essentially of great importance for marketeers to want to get involved in this project will kill the reasons for any future growth.

[fav]

just a heads up to all OBITS hodlers, by voting for Bitcrab, you're actively helping killing off obits / revenue based models.

1.The core idea is, as a DAC, Bitshares' goal is not to make more network money, its task is to provide an advanced, convenient and attractive and cheap platform, meanwhile provide chance and tools for every player here to make money.

2.Keeping high transfer fee and meanwhile putting much fund on refining the fee structure is the wrong way, we should move to the right way -  go back to the global lowest tranfer fee scheme.

3.The referral program does not fit Bitshares, we need to eliminate its bad effect.

let me remind you that without referral income, OL makes little profit, effectively killing OBITS purpose.