Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

[Riverhead]

Just curious if the btc was returned to bter? I have about 27 btc-b I'm waiting on and this certainly doesn't help.

In fact, return BTC is not correct, because the trade ( sell BTS for BTC) had happend already, and the trade is real.
he need to return back the fake BTS
it means if he have sold 1million fake BTS, he need return back 1 million real BTS to bter.
because due to the trade, BTER's balance of BTC is correct, but the balance of BTS is not correct.

Excellent point. Shouldn't be two hard to figure out how much that is and would go a ways in restoring some creditability to mindflux. I believe btercom was their bts account.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk.

Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not.

Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.

If that is really true that only proves he doesn't care about BitShares at all from my pov. It also means BitShares will be hostage of his whims at any point in time.

I would like if we could reach a consensus where everyone gives in a little but the overall outcome is the best for both parties. However I don't like the "This is either going to be like I want or screw you approach". Assuming this is resolved, nothing guarantees us that in the future something similar won't happen and everyone will be at the mercy of his whims.

But in the end, it's the votes that count. If he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right so can't argue about that. Either both parties try to reach an agreement or in the end someone will have to leave or adapt.

The only thing we can take for sure is voting decides everything. Even though my personal opinion is against bitcrab's atm, in the end, if he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right and the majority will move on. Only the minority will be "damaged", but the majority of stakeholders will move on. That's what I like about BitShares. This can be very polemic but a vote is a vote. In the end it's what decides.

Everyone claims he is destroying BitShares but if he wins, does that really mean that? Or does it mean that a minority has a different view from the majority of the stakeholders? Majority holds the decision power. Whatever the outcome is, it will be the grand part of players choosing that option so that only means the other party was wrong. The fact we don't agree doesn't necessarily mean he is going to destroy BitShares. He is going to "damage" the minor part of BitShares while the majority will simply move on like things are supposed to be.

In an ultimate analysis, the one who looses is the weakest link. The other is the strongest and will move on, rightfully.

I think the only real damning things he has said are in regards to his dismissive attitude towards the refer program. That is what has freaked a lot of people out because so many are building businesses around that. Him being in the exchange business could care less.. it's just something in the way of getting lower fees.

There is something else to consider in this as I thought about all the players involved. Transfer is one function.. other FBAs that come online and introduce new and useful features are going to have their own fees which the refer program will be able to take advantage of also.

We are kinda like a shop right now with a few products on our shelf and without any other inventory we are really over focused on just our few products pricing/promotion/adoption etc.

What if these few products really don't matter? What if its a new one that comes along?

I'm just trying to think 5 steps ahead and take all elements into consideration while this whole thing rages on.

[puppies]

IMO this is what should be highlighted by Amanda on the daily decrypt.  In many ways we are just like bitcoin.  We bicker and fight.  We attack each other personally.  We threaten to take our ball and go home.  In the end though, we vote and we move on.  I have no doubt that bitcrab cares about bitshares and wants to do what he sees as best for the network.  I have no doubt that mindphlux cares about bitshares and wants to do what he sees as best for the network. 

[alt]

Just curious if the btc was returned to bter? I have about 27 btc-b I'm waiting on and this certainly doesn't help.

In fact, return BTC is not correct, because the trade ( sell BTS for BTC) had happend already, and the trade is real.
he need to return back the fake BTS
it means if he have sold 1million fake BTS, he need return back 1 million real BTS to bter.
because due to the trade, BTER's balance of BTC is correct, but the balance of BTS is not correct.

[Riverhead]

Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.

But you fucked up twice.
Once when you made (or attempted to make) a dishonest profit.
And it happened for the second time, just a moment ago: when you said you did not get any BTC out it but alt just proved you did.

You got your second chance but you just blew it away.

Just curious if the btc was returned to bter? I have about 27 btc-b I'm waiting on and this certainly doesn't help.

[Akado]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk.

Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not.

Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.

If that is really true that only proves he doesn't care about BitShares at all from my pov. It also means BitShares will be hostage of his whims at any point in time.

I would like if we could reach a consensus where everyone gives in a little but the overall outcome is the best for both parties. However I don't like the "This is either going to be like I want or screw you approach". Assuming this is resolved, nothing guarantees us that in the future something similar won't happen and everyone will be at the mercy of his whims.

But in the end, it's the votes that count. If he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right so can't argue about that. Either both parties try to reach an agreement or in the end someone will have to leave or adapt.

The only thing we can take for sure is voting decides everything. Even though my personal opinion is against bitcrab's atm, in the end, if he wins it's because the majority thinks he is right and the majority will move on. Only the minority will be "damaged", but the majority of stakeholders will move on. That's what I like about BitShares. This can be very polemic but a vote is a vote. In the end it's what decides.

Everyone claims he is destroying BitShares but if he wins, does that really mean that? Or does it mean that a minority has a different view from the majority of the stakeholders? Majority holds the decision power. Whatever the outcome is, it will be the grand part of players choosing that option so that only means the other party was wrong. The fact we don't agree doesn't necessarily mean he is going to destroy BitShares. He is going to "damage" the minor part of BitShares while the majority will simply move on like things are supposed to be.

In an ultimate analysis, the one who looses is the weakest link. The other is the strongest and will move on, rightfully.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk.

Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not.

Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.

[Samupaha]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

It's also possible that Bitcrab doesn't give up and will go on with his harmful plans and destroys Bitshares. Either-or, this is a fucked up situation.

[Ben Mason]

I don't see how any of this will result in a fork. We are still in the phase of discussion and solution finding.
It helps no one to separated the network into two even more illliquid networks and splitting user bases. It wouldn't even make sense for bitcrab.

At least I would like to see an ACTUAL PROPOSAL being voted on, then shareholders can voice their opinion by casting an indirect vote.
Furthermore, not every possibility has been discussed.

One way to resolve this in the short term (until we have figured out BSIP#10) is to require LTM for some more operations, currently only witness, committe_create and account create requite LTM. How about we require LTM for asset creation aswell?

IMHO, this discussion is neither going towards civil war nor will it end bitshares' referral program. It's just a matter of moving focus for revenue

Totally.  I would be very surprised if the majority of the community would be so foolish as to react against their own best interests over a parameter setting that is still in discussion.  Granted, the issue has been somewhat clouded by committee member positions (we should get used to that by the way) but the dividing lines are certainly not china vs the rest. Committee members don't have followers, we are not at war.....ridiclous.  The vast majority of people simply want to build businesses, connect with each other, own their wealth in a stable corruption resistant environment.

[jakub]

Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.

But you fucked up twice.
Once when you made (or attempted to make) a dishonest profit.
And it happened for the second time, just a moment ago: when you said you did not get any BTC out it but alt just proved you did.

You got your second chance but you just blew it away.

[mindphlux]

oh, who said this?

(mindphlux), [28.01.16 15:45]
I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares

"I believe" can usually be considered an opinion.

An attack would be "bitcrab, you're an asshole and you're toxic to the success of bitshares"
Learn the difference between opinions and attacks please.

[xeroc]

I don't see how any of this will result in a fork. We are still in the phase of discussion and solution finding.
It helps no one to separated the network into two even more illliquid networks and splitting user bases. It wouldn't even make sense for bitcrab.

At least I would like to see an ACTUAL PROPOSAL being voted on, then shareholders can voice their opinion by casting an indirect vote.
Furthermore, not every possibility has been discussed.

One way to resolve this in the short term (until we have figured out BSIP#10) is to require LTM for some more operations, currently only witness, committe_create and account create requite LTM. How about we require LTM for asset creation aswell?

IMHO, this discussion is neither going towards civil war nor will it end bitshares' referral program. It's just a matter of moving focus for revenue

[alt]

oh, who said this?

(mindphlux), [28.01.16 15:45]
I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares

[mindphlux]

shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph

What I am doing is *not* attacking, I'm opposing his plan. That is a *BIG* difference. At no time I ever used bad words or personal attacks, I am merly stating my opinion regarding his plans.

Samples:

I do not think lower fees will magically solve the problems that we're having. The referral program needs to stay intact in order to attract marketeers and users.
How do you earn new users when there's no incentive?

This. bitcrab is using exchange funds to get people with his 'agenda' voted into the committee and is now staging to do a hostile takeover.  Not to mention that the committee was mislead by him once already, I really hope that users wake up and remove bad actors like him for the stability of the network. This is not good.

I think you're abusing your power here in this case.

The users of your exchange have not authorized you to vote with THEIR stake.

Those quotes are not attacks, they're opinions and I'm entitled not not like what he's doing.

And yeah, I fucked up. But at least I'm not trying to to start a flamewar here. You can continue to use that episode in October to further discredit me but in reality we're moving towards a fork, and you're doing your part of it by getting people to remove votes for people who oppose you. Good luck with BitsharesCN!

@mindphlux , and how do you explain this?

Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.

[Ben Mason]

What a great shame.  This community needs to make sure that committee positions are held by people with untarnished reputations that can uphold the ideals which built this network and respect the core purpose of Blockchain technology implemented for a public ledger.  Perhaps no person can be beyond reproach indefinately and we do all make mistakes, but there must be powerful incentives/accountability to make sure those holding these honoured positions of trust make the attempt and understand their tenure will be over forever if they fail.

The fees issue is on the way to being resoved through compromise and discussion.  The issue of integrity within the commitee is far more urgent.  Any genuine conflict of interest must be exposed as must untrustworthy or exploitative behaviour.......the reaction to which should be immediate and final.  Unless we think that there are too few competent people with integrity that are interested in BitShares out there.

[jakub]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

[deer]

shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

hahaha，So funny. looks like someone is pretty good at attack  both "people" and "market".

[xeroc]

Outch

[jakub]

However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place.

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

@mindphlux , and how do you explain this?

[Moon]

fuxk  shame man

shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

[alt]

shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

[xeroc]

Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.
@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?

It was a matter of bad judgement on my part, possibly guided by greed at the time. I dearly regret this as I didn't think this through. However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place.

Having said that, I find it worrying that some people try to use this screencap against me, trying to discredit me because I voice my opinion very loudly against bitcrab's plans to give them an advantage in voting numbers.

This is no longer a neutral fee discussion, this is a flame campaign where the camps are trying to discredit the other camp, I think BitShares is close to civil war here in this case - Bitcrab has bought half of the committee with the votes of an exchange and doing all he can to destroy the referral program and thus destroying BitShares, even if he's not aware of it. At 1-5 BTS levels, shareholders that disagree with this change have no reason to stay with BitShares, they might as well fork the entire project and continue without the 'chinese dictatorship' - see my point here? Civil war is near.

I don't expect anyone to forgive me what I attempted, but I think I've shown clearly my dedication to BitShares in the past, as a witness and committee member, e.g the first worker proposal ever or the first community driven committee proposal too. I will continue to serve BitShares as much as I can, trying to defend it from people who want to cause harm.

Thanks for clarification! Everyone makes bad decisions as human as everyone is and it is our advantage that we can learn from them. For that reason everyone should be allowed a second chance IMHO. But dont take it personally if people are watching you more closely now.

[mindphlux]

Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.
@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?

It was a matter of bad judgement on my part, possibly guided by greed at the time. I dearly regret this as I didn't think this through. However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place.

Having said that, I find it worrying that some people try to use this screencap against me, trying to discredit me because I voice my opinion very loudly against bitcrab's plans to give them an advantage in voting numbers.

This is no longer a neutral fee discussion, this is a flame campaign where the camps are trying to discredit the other camp, I think BitShares is close to civil war here in this case - Bitcrab has bought half of the committee with the votes of an exchange and doing all he can to destroy the referral program and thus destroying BitShares, even if he's not aware of it. At 1-5 BTS levels, shareholders that disagree with this change have no reason to stay with BitShares, they might as well fork the entire project and continue without the 'chinese dictatorship' - see my point here? Civil war is near.

I don't expect anyone to forgive me what I attempted, but I think I've shown clearly my dedication to BitShares in the past, as a witness and committee member, e.g the first worker proposal ever or the first community driven committee proposal too. I will continue to serve BitShares as much as I can, trying to defend it from people who want to cause harm.

[Samupaha]

Bitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.

interesting.
I am open to any ideas, just today I raise a "3 modes" solution and try to reach a consensus with other groups.
yes, I dear to say no to anyone, I always state things directly, I insist my belief, I am a fighter, not a sweet gentleman.
I suggest you spend time on giving convictive ideas, not on doing personal attack. because the latter make no use.

No, you are not open to ideas. You just say that so your opponents will waste their time to write and explain their ideas. But in the end you will just ignore them and go on with your plans. You fight only for yourself, not for Bitshares.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

Bitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.

interesting.
I am open to any ideas, just today I raise a "3 modes" solution and try to reach a consensus with other groups.
yes, I dear to say no to anyone, I always state things directly, I insist my belief, I am a fighter, not a sweet gentleman.
I suggest you spend time on giving convictive ideas, not on doing personal attack. because the latter make no use.

How much will your proposal cost? Both in lost revenues and in dilution to build it?

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

That was dumping worthless BTS1 after the upgrade to BTS2 on the exchange that did not upgrade, he admittedly took advantage of that situation it looks like.

I was not aware of that.
In that case, I understand and share your concerns.
He shouldn't have done it and saying "If I don't do it, somebody else will" is a very bad excuse.

Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.
@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?

If you didn't, I'm going to withdraw my support for your witness and ask other proxies to do the same.

What you didn't get from the screen grabs that were shared was that following that you can see I told him it was wrong for so many reasons.. at some point I recall he did something to reverse the situation from what he said.. but the whole thing was all just chat.. there was no clear evidence like transactions or sceencaps that showed that he was really doing anything he was claiming either.

I do recall though that after I dug into him about it all and a few others followed because of my concerns about possible bad press from it all he was quick to try and fix it.. or indicate he did. We don't know if others did anything like this at that time.

Thus far he hasn't demonstrated anything as a committee member that has given me cause for concern other than being very frustrated with others like bitcrab. He has been very outspoken about that. I guess its not a crime to be outspoken.

[bitcrab]

Bitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.

interesting.
I am open to any ideas, just today I raise a "3 modes" solution and try to reach a consensus with other groups.
yes, I dear to say no to anyone, I always state things directly, I insist my belief, I am a fighter, not a sweet gentleman.
I suggest you spend time on giving convictive ideas, not on doing personal attack. because the latter make no use.

[Ben Mason]

Thank you both for your replies. I was not aware of the potential for conflict of interest there. It reminds me that we all have to be vigilant and yet again it emphasises that a reputation for integrity has great value. I hope that bitcrab can address these concerns.

[Samupaha]

Integrity is vital to a commitee member.  Taking any action that takes advantage of advanced knowledge and position for profit demonstrates complete unsuitability for the role.  Any committie memeber prooven to lack integrity must be removed.

I would take bitcrab's sincere efforts to improve the BitShares network.....along with the challenge of discussion in reaching a positive outcome for all......over a politician any day of the week. 

Jonny, do you still feel OP is fair to Bitcrab?  I think he's demonstarted a willingness to show he's a person and to search for a compromise.

Bitcrab has demonstrated many times that he is not willing to listen to other people and he is not interested in any compromises. I consider him as the biggest threat against Bitshares at the moment. I've seen people like him before and every time they just destroy everything if community is not able to get rid of them in time.

[JonnyB]

I'm not necessarily against the @bitcrab idea to reduce trade fees to 1 bts.
What I don't like is he seems to put his personal interests and those of transwiser above the interests of bitshares itself.
This is what I have heard from other committee members.
It was proven when he got force settlement disabled by the committee because it didn't suit transwiser at the time even though there was no issues with force settlement.
My main issue is he wants to control the voting power of central exchanges like btc38 and I want his power reduced because of this.

[Ben Mason]

Integrity is vital to a commitee member.  Taking any action that takes advantage of advanced knowledge and position for profit demonstrates complete unsuitability for the role.  Any committie memeber prooven to lack integrity must be removed.

I would take bitcrab's sincere efforts to improve the BitShares network.....along with the challenge of discussion in reaching a positive outcome for all......over a politician any day of the week. 

Jonny, do you still feel OP is fair to Bitcrab?  I think he's demonstarted a willingness to show he's a person and to search for a compromise.

[jakub]

That was dumping worthless BTS1 after the upgrade to BTS2 on the exchange that did not upgrade, he admittedly took advantage of that situation it looks like.

I was not aware of that.
In that case, I understand and share your concerns.
He shouldn't have done it and saying "If I don't do it, somebody else will" is a very bad excuse.

Unless he compensated those who bought worthless BTS1 from him.
@mindphlux , did you profit from selling worthless BTS1 and if so, did you return the money?

If you didn't, I'm going to withdraw my support for your witness and ask other proxies to do the same.

[Moon]

I support Bitcrab ，Because I hate vampire

[Riverhead]

If BTS1 was sent to BTER and accepted after the fork, and BTC was extracted from BTER, then it was theft via fraud as he knew full well that it was worthless to anyone. Not sure if that makes him a good or bad committee member though. I've never met an ethical politician.

[alt]

for me this just like a thief. it's me that ask bitcrab to remove vote for him because of his thief action

[mint chocolate chip]

 

is that  mindphlux？？？？？ dump bts？？？？？？？？？？？

Having a stake in BitShares is not a pre-condition of being a committee member.
For me, @mindphlux can dump his BTS all day long or do whatever he wants with them, and I'm fine with that, as long as he makes good decisions as a committee member.
(Insider trading is not really possible so it's just pure speculative trading on his part.)

But if his dumping is associated with spreading bad PR for BitShares, then it's a different story.

Exactly. Dump just means sell and everyone including the committee is entitled to do what they like. It's called the free market.

That was dumping worthless BTS1 after the upgrade to BTS2 on the exchange that did not upgrade, he admittedly took advantage of that situation it looks like.

[JonnyB]

is that  mindphlux？？？？？ dump bts？？？？？？？？？？？

Having a stake in BitShares is not a pre-condition of being a committee member.
For me, @mindphlux can dump his BTS all day long or do whatever he wants with them, and I'm fine with that, as long as he makes good decisions as a committee member.
(Insider trading is not really possible so it's just pure speculative trading on his part.)

But if his dumping is associated with spreading bad PR for BitShares, then it's a different story.

Exactly. Dump just means sell and everyone including the committee is entitled to do what they like. It's called the free market.

[jakub]

is that  mindphlux？？？？？ dump bts？？？？？？？？？？？

Having a stake in BitShares is not a pre-condition of being a committee member.
For me, @mindphlux can dump his BTS all day long or do whatever he wants with them, and I'm fine with that, as long as he makes good decisions as a committee member.
(Insider trading is not really possible so it's just pure speculative trading on his part.)

But if his dumping is associated with spreading bad PR for BitShares, then it's a different story.

[julian1]

Bitshares has managed to create an opportunistic bureaucracy on the blockchain!

There needs to be a way to protect people that have invested their time and money in building businesses on the expectation of referral fees.

[sudo]

Image removed upon request //doxxing the image won't be tolerated as it's linking a real world name to a alias. edit it or do not post it again. thanks. -fav

is that  mindphlux？？？？？ dump bts？？？？？？？？？？？

[Empirical1.2]

dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab

this mindphlux?

look what they are posting on poloniex trollbox!

londonwhale: mindphlux, is dumping: http://imgur.com/du63Pkl

  Can't believe he is a committee member

[jakub]

dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab

I'm sure @abit is not going to support 1 BTS bitcrab's idea either.

[freedom]

 I support Bitcrab

[alt]

this fav, edit my post without my prove again, who let him be the administrator?  it's really a dirty job

« Last Edit: Today at 05:27:56 PM by fav »

why remove this picture? it's capture from a public talk group

image deleted upon request //doxxing -fav

[alt]

yes, this mindphlux, LOL, another joke
I am the poor little Peng

dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab

this mindphlux?



the one that tried to cause a blackswan during the critical and fragile low liquidity migration day?





image deleted upon request //doxxing -fav





woah....poor little Peng

look what they are posting on poloniex trollbox!

londonwhale: mindphlux, is dumping: http://imgur.com/du63Pkl

very interesting





and fav, aren't you the one who just sent the co-founder of both BTS and Quarter Billion Dollar Etrhereum packing?

So you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore.

 interesting




interesting....




the drama continues




will BitShares re-wrest control from the global liquidity leader of BTS trading?




stay tuned for another exciting edition of....

[fav]

dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab

and fav, aren't you the one who just snt the co-founder of both BTS and Quarter Billion Dollar Etrhereum packing?

So you moved my post to random? Fucking seriously? Fuck it Fav, I won't post any articles or items on Bitsharestalk anymore.

no idea what you're implying there. and even if it was Satoshi himself, there are rules in this forum and off topic belongs to off topic. no matter if the user does agree with it.

[fav]

yes, but with how much stake?

If you haven't voted before, vote for the committee members that oppose a fee change to 1BTS or similiar.

and who exactly would those be?

dele-puppy, mindphlux, bunkerchainlabs-com - the others are probably unstable, and could follow bitcrab

[BTSdac]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

He has too much power, and is getting use of an exchanges votes.
He previously bullied the committee in to suspending forced settlement because he'd done his own maths wrong.
He is very pushy and I think he needs less votes.

no ,I think he is right ,so I would support him. 

[mindphlux]

If you haven't voted before, vote for the committee members that oppose a fee change to 1BTS or similiar.

[wallace]

I think I care about bitshares as seriously as you, but sorry I will not remove him, oppositely I plan to withdraw my bts from exchanges and support him as much as I can

[JonnyB]

Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

He has too much power, and is getting use of an exchanges votes.
He previously bullied the committee in to suspending forced settlement because he'd done his own maths wrong.
He is very pushy and I think he needs less votes.