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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2016, 09:20:32 am »
shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph
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(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 09:22:55 am by alt »

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2016, 09:34:08 am »
fuxk  shame man



shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph
Quote
(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2016, 09:37:38 am »
However, I wasn't able to get any BTC out of it as the deposit/withdrawal options were quickly disabled after this trade took place.

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(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo

[member=20914]mindphlux[/member] , and how do you explain this?

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2016, 09:41:23 am »
Outch
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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2016, 10:02:27 am »
shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph
Quote
(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
really?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
yes

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:27]
[In reply to (mindphlux)]
snapshot please with the transaction proof

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:27]
wait

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
dumping the market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:29]
done

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
I could sell maybe another 100k

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
Got 4.27BTC out of it

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:30]
Omg

Spartako, [13.10.15 21:30]
wow!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:30]
seeing if I can deposit more

dele-puppy, [13.10.15 21:31]
I would quickly convert those 4.2 bter_Btc into real btc

(liondani), [13.10.15 21:31]
slowly don't crash their market

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:31]
yes

Bhuz, [13.10.15 21:32]
Are u on 9.2?

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
yes I am

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
submitted

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:33]
to my BTC address

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
arrived!

(mindphlux), [13.10.15 21:34]
woohoo


hahahaļ¼ŒSo funny. looks like someone is pretty good at attack  both "people" and "market".

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2016, 10:07:01 am »
Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 10:08:40 am by jakub »

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2016, 10:17:06 am »
What a great shame.  This community needs to make sure that committee positions are held by people with untarnished reputations that can uphold the ideals which built this network and respect the core purpose of Blockchain technology implemented for a public ledger.  Perhaps no person can be beyond reproach indefinately and we do all make mistakes, but there must be powerful incentives/accountability to make sure those holding these honoured positions of trust make the attempt and understand their tenure will be over forever if they fail.

The fees issue is on the way to being resoved through compromise and discussion.  The issue of integrity within the commitee is far more urgent.  Any genuine conflict of interest must be exposed as must untrustworthy or exploitative behaviour.......the reaction to which should be immediate and final.  Unless we think that there are too few competent people with integrity that are interested in BitShares out there.

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2016, 10:19:22 am »
shame on you, all I saw is you and many other people attack bitcrab
and you have to lier continue, here is some copy from the telegraph

What I am doing is *not* attacking, I'm opposing his plan. That is a *BIG* difference. At no time I ever used bad words or personal attacks, I am merly stating my opinion regarding his plans.

Samples:

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I do not think lower fees will magically solve the problems that we're having. The referral program needs to stay intact in order to attract marketeers and users.
How do you earn new users when there's no incentive?

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This. bitcrab is using exchange funds to get people with his 'agenda' voted into the committee and is now staging to do a hostile takeover.  Not to mention that the committee was mislead by him once already, I really hope that users wake up and remove bad actors like him for the stability of the network. This is not good.

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I think you're abusing your power here in this case.

The users of your exchange have not authorized you to vote with THEIR stake.

Those quotes are not attacks, they're opinions and I'm entitled not not like what he's doing.

And yeah, I fucked up. But at least I'm not trying to to start a flamewar here. You can continue to use that episode in October to further discredit me but in reality we're moving towards a fork, and you're doing your part of it by getting people to remove votes for people who oppose you. Good luck with BitsharesCN!

[member=20914]mindphlux[/member] , and how do you explain this?

Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.


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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2016, 10:28:58 am »
oh, who said this?
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I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2016, 10:32:28 am »
I don't see how any of this will result in a fork. We are still in the phase of discussion and solution finding.
It helps no one to separated the network into two even more illliquid networks and splitting user bases. It wouldn't even make sense for bitcrab.

At least I would like to see an ACTUAL PROPOSAL being voted on, then shareholders can voice their opinion by casting an indirect vote.
Furthermore, not every possibility has been discussed.

One way to resolve this in the short term (until we have figured out BSIP#10) is to require LTM for some more operations, currently only witness, committe_create and account create requite LTM. How about we require LTM for asset creation aswell?

IMHO, this discussion is neither going towards civil war nor will it end bitshares' referral program. It's just a matter of moving focus for revenue
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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2016, 10:53:11 am »
oh, who said this?
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(mindphlux), [28.01.16 15:45]
I believe bitcrab is toxic to the success of bitshares

"I believe" can usually be considered an opinion.

An attack would be "bitcrab, you're an asshole and you're toxic to the success of bitshares"
Learn the difference between opinions and attacks please.
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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2016, 10:53:41 am »
Nothing to explain here, I fucked up. Remove your votes if you must. I will gladly resign from all positions if I need to have as I don't wan't to take part in something that results in a major civil war that leads to a fork.

But you fucked up twice.
Once when you made (or attempted to make) a dishonest profit.
And it happened for the second time, just a moment ago: when you said you did not get any BTC out it but alt just proved you did.

You got your second chance but you just blew it away.

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2016, 11:01:47 am »
I don't see how any of this will result in a fork. We are still in the phase of discussion and solution finding.
It helps no one to separated the network into two even more illliquid networks and splitting user bases. It wouldn't even make sense for bitcrab.

At least I would like to see an ACTUAL PROPOSAL being voted on, then shareholders can voice their opinion by casting an indirect vote.
Furthermore, not every possibility has been discussed.

One way to resolve this in the short term (until we have figured out BSIP#10) is to require LTM for some more operations, currently only witness, committe_create and account create requite LTM. How about we require LTM for asset creation aswell?

IMHO, this discussion is neither going towards civil war nor will it end bitshares' referral program. It's just a matter of moving focus for revenue

Totally.  I would be very surprised if the majority of the community would be so foolish as to react against their own best interests over a parameter setting that is still in discussion.  Granted, the issue has been somewhat clouded by committee member positions (we should get used to that by the way) but the dividing lines are certainly not china vs the rest. Committee members don't have followers, we are not at war.....ridiclous.  The vast majority of people simply want to build businesses, connect with each other, own their wealth in a stable corruption resistant environment.

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2016, 01:03:30 pm »
Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

It's also possible that Bitcrab doesn't give up and will go on with his harmful plans and destroys Bitshares. Either-or, this is a fucked up situation.

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Re: Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2016, 01:58:54 pm »
Please vote out Bitcrab if you care about bitshares.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.
It seems to me that bitcrab has enough power to fork BitShares and start over thus effectively push BitShares out of China.
At least I would do that if I were him.

There will be a significant market cap drop if he does that.
We need to be prepared for this.

He has already stated that he would just go to ethereum... so the fork is unlikely if you want to take what he said at face value. If you don't want to take it at face value, this whole thing could just be a staging ground to begin that fork process. First driving a wedge with the chinese community between bitshares and in the process driving the market cap into the ground and thus ensuring a move to Chinashares being complete with little/low risk.

Bitcrab said he is a fighter.. he has boasted this a few times.. that means this isn't a discussion/debate.. its a battle in his view.. and he simply sees him winning or losing it by either getting what he wants or not.

Bitshares community has to decide how to handle irreconcilable players.


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