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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 07:41:09 am »
BitShares is a great platform with a great community that is only 5 months away from ending a hugely expensive merger.

Trying to be polite and not criticize it too much, but at this nascent stage I would say Steem probably shouldn't even have a third party project place on this forum.

Good luck to those taking part but please give it a few months as you risk dragging down a great project like BTS unnecessarily if that project ends up failing. (9/10 new businesses do)

I hope this gets moved to random discussion as we don't need a Steem/BTS discussion at this stage and/or give a non share-dropped platform unnecessary exposure.

Haven't you repeatedly said that you sold off all of your non-vesting stake in BitShares long ago? I have come to suspect the motivation behind your comments.

Yes correct, nearly all of my BTS is vesting. ( Though I'm actually in favour of ending the merger early and losing that BTS because I believe it would be in the best interests of BTS.) I've also said once we get to the end of this awful merger I believe BTS could go from strength and to strength & will probably be accumulating a much larger position closer to that stage.

However I wish you guys with interest in other projects luck, but I'm personally not a fan of having them promoted in the general BTS discussion area. BTS and this forum has been built up over a few years, it's a great asset as is the platform. Perhaps if Steem gains some traction over the next 6-12 months some synergistic relationships may be warranted.

However atm it's the equivalent of suggesting moving Bitcointalk.org over to Banx/XRP/ (Some other fairly centralized/new/small possibly competing blockchain forum.)

The anti-delutionist faction made further development of BitShares virtually impossible. Steem has opened up once more a way to get funding to BitShares developers to work on this project (ask Fuzzy, ask kenCode, ask roadscape). In fact, if you take an open minded look, I think you would find that the synergies are quite remarkable.

Additionally, bitsharestalk.org is not owned by the community but by Bitsaphire who have not appeared to be actively involved in BitShares for a very long time. The founders and many of the participants of Steem are passionate about BitShares.

Prove it. Either integrate Steemit into Bitshares or it's just another competitor.

Are you offering to pay for integration? I didn't think so.

Who paid for the trollbox? It's not like there is a worker proposal so we can pay for integration but maybe ask the community?

In any case I definitely don't support converting this community over to Steemit. Steemit is the little child of Bitshares not the other way around.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 07:43:55 am »
Unfortunately for BitShares Talk the stats show it is dwindling down https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=stats pretty quickly. Month over month there are less new posts, less page views, less new members, less new topics. Blame the marketcap, development standstill, getting Steem-rolled, more exciting crypto projects, lack of things to talk about, the merger, the unfulfilled plans, referral bonus being drastically reduced, or whatever, the fact is that there is just a handful of people who post here now - as soon as they realize that fact they will most likely consider moving on as well.

It's real simple. Integrate the forum into OpenLedger itself. People should be attracted to OpenLedger and not to this site. The goal is to get people to spend more time in Bitshares not to have people on Bitsharestalk.

On the other hand if the Bitshares community is going to act like Bitshares is dead because the money ran out then maybe you should vote differently or make a simple change so exchanges can't vote on behalf of the token owners without the token owners permission.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 09:25:46 am »
no moderation function is a bad idea for a forum like this. no one wants to see spam porn and whatever, if we want them to take us serious
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 04:24:16 pm »
Wow, those stats are indeed rather dismal and the trend is clear as day.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 05:41:31 pm »
Wow, those stats are indeed rather dismal and the trend is clear as day.
The stats look far worse than the truth in this case, because May stats are for a partial month. Re-evaluating with that correction, data doesn't look nearly as bad.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 06:21:38 pm »
Wow, those stats are indeed rather dismal and the trend is clear as day.
The stats look far worse than the truth in this case, because May stats are for a partial month. Re-evaluating with that correction, data doesn't look nearly as bad.
Multiple all May stats by 4 to estimate the whole month...still not good.

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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 06:48:14 pm »
Wow, those stats are indeed rather dismal and the trend is clear as day.
The stats look far worse than the truth in this case, because May stats are for a partial month. Re-evaluating with that correction, data doesn't look nearly as bad.
Multiple all May stats by 4 to estimate the whole month...still not good.
Not good, but not dire. Certainly one cause is that some of our more prolific posters  are tied up in other activities right now (BM, DataSecurityNode, kencode, and associated team members). And as been mentioned, a lot of our posters are posting more now on steemit. I think it would be a big mistake to read too much into this regarding BitShares itself.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 07:07:06 pm »
Didnt even know about Steemit until recently... seems those that do the hangouts know and the rest of the community doesnt... would have been good to do some blogs etc about shifting focus seems he just picks up his desk and leaves as he sees fit (BM)... anyways I'd like to see some proof that he is going to merge both projects as that will give confidence in holding BTS.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 07:10:20 pm »
Wow, those stats are indeed rather dismal and the trend is clear as day.
The stats look far worse than the truth in this case, because May stats are for a partial month. Re-evaluating with that correction, data doesn't look nearly as bad.
Multiple all May stats by 4 to estimate the whole month...still not good.

There should be a large drop off over the last 3-5 months given recent events. I think it needs to find it's feet again and I would wait till after the end of the merger before writing BTS off or declare it dying/dead. It may be a sleeping elephant. (Once it's unburdened of nearly 50 BTC a week in costs, that are adding low/no benefit.)

Moving/merging BTS with possible competitor type discussions will bring down BTS value but not in a way that transfers value elsewhere. We may also find some key players finding their way back to it once it's unburdened and more development funding can be supported. So at this stage there's no need to tie the fate of BTS's success to that of a new kid on the block which may run into issues of its own and currently has wafer thin buy support.

 
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 09:43:16 pm »

There really just isn't anything new to discuss while there are tons of other exciting crypto projects.

Larimers claim things will be picked back up, but meh. Until then what is there to talk about?  Innovation drives interest and it is going on everywhere else unfortunately.

Peerplays sounds cool, but it did nothing with the social consensus.  Basically it appears the social consensus is completely dead. It was a good marketing angle I guess. There just aren't many things that are discussion worthy. It should be absolutely no surprise the activity has dropped dow.

When and if Bitshares 3.0 is made, then I'm sure things will pick back up. A bond market + margin trading would be awesome.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2016, 10:14:32 pm »
Bts is awesome as is.  What we need is for more old timers to log into the wallet and tear up the troll box. 

I don't want to tie bts to an unproven crypto, but I also don't want to tie it to an ancient forum. 
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2016, 12:26:41 am »
Why not use both rather than forcing the premined STEEM down our throats?

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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2016, 01:22:16 am »
Why not use both rather than forcing the premined STEEM down our throats?

Nobody is forcing anyone to Steemit.  The suggest comes from a community member.  We are free to choose how and where to post our messsages.
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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2016, 06:05:01 am »
Steemit rewards contribution....of course bitsharestalk should move.

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Re: Move Bitsharestalk to Steemit?
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2016, 07:18:51 am »
well , you're making an assumption that the premined STEEM could feed them forever and they will work on STEEM forever .....

clearly it won't be the case looking back at history .
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