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Offline Musewhale

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Whoever is making the decisions for peertracks/muse have, for me, irreparably compromised the integrity of this project. You've had my btc and then moved steadily beyond any accountability or what I would consider a rational approach to the project and community. Wether peertracks or troopeers or whatever launches or not, I've lost my passion for your project and will be looking elsewhere for a solution to unlocking music creativity and distribution. I still don't believe cob is a scammer, but I do believe some of the responsibility for the apparent failure of this project and the alienation of the muse community is his. So for anyone with muse or thinking to get any.....think very carefully beforehand and beware of the degree of compromise and centralisation that may have occurred . I make this statement before altering any muse position I have currently.  I may try to salvage something but generally that will come at someone else's expense so I guess I'll chalk muse up to a sad and unecessary waste. On the bright side, there's always hope and I can't wait until music is set free!

What is the definition of a scammer?

Cob did take our money by telling lies all the time. Isn't that exactly what a scammer does? He never explained why he spread false information about an alpha that has never been out or hundreds of testers etc.
All the false information and implications have always come out as lies.

I don't see how we cannot call him a scammer.

He burned 500k of investors money and is still here telling us they will come up with some crap, but the main objective isn't on the radar .

No roadmap but a bunch of crap talk.

He is a scammer
I can empathise with some of how you feel marky. But I believe his intentions were honourable at the beginning and he was as enthused and passionate about building something revolutionary for music as the rest of us. Along the way things happened and gradually its all gone wrong. This happens. Whatever the truth, i've lost interest and will focus my engagement with other more promising projects. It's not the first mistake I've made and it won't be the last. I'm not about to waste any more time and effort trying to extract answers that will clearly never be forthcoming. Anyway that's it. I doubt I'll comment further in this part of the forum.

just today, i saw you dump about one million MUSE ??? ??? ???
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Whoever is making the decisions for peertracks/muse have, for me, irreparably compromised the integrity of this project. You've had my btc and then moved steadily beyond any accountability or what I would consider a rational approach to the project and community. Wether peertracks or troopeers or whatever launches or not, I've lost my passion for your project and will be looking elsewhere for a solution to unlocking music creativity and distribution. I still don't believe cob is a scammer, but I do believe some of the responsibility for the apparent failure of this project and the alienation of the muse community is his. So for anyone with muse or thinking to get any.....think very carefully beforehand and beware of the degree of compromise and centralisation that may have occurred . I make this statement before altering any muse position I have currently.  I may try to salvage something but generally that will come at someone else's expense so I guess I'll chalk muse up to a sad and unecessary waste. On the bright side, there's always hope and I can't wait until music is set free!

What is the definition of a scammer?

Cob did take our money by telling lies all the time. Isn't that exactly what a scammer does? He never explained why he spread false information about an alpha that has never been out or hundreds of testers etc.
All the false information and implications have always come out as lies.

I don't see how we cannot call him a scammer.

He burned 500k of investors money and is still here telling us they will come up with some crap, but the main objective isn't on the radar .

No roadmap but a bunch of crap talk.

He is a scammer
I can empathise with some of how you feel marky. But I believe his intentions were honourable at the beginning and he was as enthused and passionate about building something revolutionary for music as the rest of us. Along the way things happened and gradually its all gone wrong. This happens. Whatever the truth, i've lost interest and will focus my engagement with other more promising projects. It's not the first mistake I've made and it won't be the last. I'm not about to waste any more time and effort trying to extract answers that will clearly never be forthcoming. Anyway that's it. I doubt I'll comment further in this part of the forum.

Offline Marky0001

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Whoever is making the decisions for peertracks/muse have, for me, irreparably compromised the integrity of this project. You've had my btc and then moved steadily beyond any accountability or what I would consider a rational approach to the project and community. Wether peertracks or troopeers or whatever launches or not, I've lost my passion for your project and will be looking elsewhere for a solution to unlocking music creativity and distribution. I still don't believe cob is a scammer, but I do believe some of the responsibility for the apparent failure of this project and the alienation of the muse community is his. So for anyone with muse or thinking to get any.....think very carefully beforehand and beware of the degree of compromise and centralisation that may have occurred . I make this statement before altering any muse position I have currently.  I may try to salvage something but generally that will come at someone else's expense so I guess I'll chalk muse up to a sad and unecessary waste. On the bright side, there's always hope and I can't wait until music is set free!

What is the definition of a scammer?

Cob did take our money by telling lies all the time. Isn't that exactly what a scammer does? He never explained why he spread false information about an alpha that has never been out or hundreds of testers etc.
All the false information and implications have always come out as lies.

I don't see how we cannot call him a scammer.

He burned 500k of investors money and is still here telling us they will come up with some crap, but the main objective isn't on the radar .

No roadmap but a bunch of crap talk.

He is a scammer

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Thanks for updating. It seems that we overestimated the progress of this project, but good things worth waiting.

I personally believe it will work . Just need to have a little more patience. But after btc halving has passed , well that is the breaking point. There is no other reason to hold this project.

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Whoever is making the decisions for peertracks/muse have, for me, irreparably compromised the integrity of this project. You've had my btc and then moved steadily beyond any accountability or what I would consider a rational approach to the project and community. Wether peertracks or troopeers or whatever launches or not, I've lost my passion for your project and will be looking elsewhere for a solution to unlocking music creativity and distribution. I still don't believe cob is a scammer, but I do believe some of the responsibility for the apparent failure of this project and the alienation of the muse community is his. So for anyone with muse or thinking to get any.....think very carefully beforehand and beware of the degree of compromise and centralisation that may have occurred . I make this statement before altering any muse position I have currently.  I may try to salvage something but generally that will come at someone else's expense so I guess I'll chalk muse up to a sad and unecessary waste. On the bright side, there's always hope and I can't wait until music is set free!

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Thanks for updating. It seems that we overestimated the progress of this project, but good things worth waiting.
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based on muse's peertracks, i think it will be two or three years later.
within one or two years, muse has no speculative value.

optimistic can keep muse, not optimistic about our investment is not recommended muse  +5% +5% +5%
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Please cob. It was one pertinent question. The reason I invested in muse was to further the idea for building a decentralised music platform. If I understand it correctly, troopeers is a platform being built to service many areas of the entertainment industry. Now I have other questions.

Why has peertracks not been launched?
Does the peertracks app work.....is there an MVP?
Who is responsible for the business decisions in your team? 
Do you or your team feel any accountability to the people that bought muse for an innovative, decentralized music platform?
If your team has moved beyond any feeling of connection and accountability towards your investors and given that your team seems to have  changed focus from the stated objectives behind the muse project....would you consider making the peertracks code available to us so we can arrange for the application to be completed and released? We could release the application under a different name that would enable you to still launch peertracks with the troopeers platform when it's ready.


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I agree 100%, Peertrack value will enhance highly by upcoming artist...and top stars and labels will be following...
The music industry is so huge, focusing in local artist and band is the key of bootstrapping this kind of platform.
 

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Hi Cob, thanks for posting.  I just have one question.  Why are you and your team focusing on the b2b approach when it certainly looked like you were almost ready with an MVP for Peertracks months ago?  Surely unlocking the talent of the future and fans of the future has more appeal and power than negotiating with entrenched interests.  Those businesses would be coming to you if Peertracks were successful and succeeded in generating a viral interest in the free expression of music combined with a new and improved value proposition for fans.  If you could explain the approach and the status of Peertracks more clearly, that would be very much appreciated.

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Have we ever been vocal?

Hey everyone.

The plan is the same as last explained. Troopeers MVP is the focus: B2B approach. We already have some interest in plugging into our (non existing!) API so that multiple third party sites get to raise funds and engage their artist's/celebs fan base. We are happy there is market validation of the concept!

I am sorry that it won't provide any short-term direct value to MUSE. It serves as on-ramping celebs (and wannabe celebs) into a platform that will later on be snapshotted onto MUSE.

Just so you know. At the moment Troopeers is loaded up with fake content only for demo purposes. A bunch of fake profiles, fake tokens, fake fans and fak fan2star conversations.
Should be able to show it off to the community soon.

Soon ain't a date though d:    I know
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