The case for bitGOLD and bitSILVER

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

Regarding the dividend part.

Read deep in the what digix is doing.. they are charging fees EVERYWHERE... and what is scarier is the whole system is rigged so you will really continue to pay FOREVER.. or take hefty fees on exiting. So when you are taking money in hand over fist like that, it is really easy to offer a dividend bone.

Not saying we can't do the same.. we just have to solve where the payment might come from... can't be from the blockchain.. it seems clear the community won't support that... good idea or not.

[xeroc]

I agree with much of what you say ..
It obviously is not enough to "just providing the platform" for people to come and use it.

The general difficulty of BitShares (in contrast to Steem) is that we are dealing with money and if you want to do something here, you need legal clarity, bookkeeping, and a tax accountant.
There certainly is money to be made by providing bitAsset liquidity (e.g. GOLD), but you need brave people to go take those profits first. Providing liquidity to markets is nothing that comes on its own, we should know that by now.

How can we convince people that providing liquidity in bitGOLD is the way to go?

[karnal]

https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@karnal/the-case-for-bitgold-and-bitsilver

Just in case things had changed in the mean time, I opened the bitshares client to confirm that the situation in these markets is still bleak.

(It is).

Some of you may not have noticed, but the people at https://digix.io/ have slowly been gaining traction in the ethereum space. If you don't know them, essentially they have a DGX token, which is backed by real gold, secured in a vault they control. There's some fancy proof of audit (by a 3rd party) scheme going on as well, not worth going into.

There's also the DGD token, which pays quarterly dividends (!) for hodlers, the funds come from DGX transfer fees.


They're aiming to use "gold as money" online, and being a frequent lurker in their slack, I can tell you that their concerns about fraud are keeping the company on edge -- just you wait until DGX begins being used for illegal activity .. in their case, there IS a central company the "authorities" can go after.

In fact, Digix recently announced that they'll be requiring KYC/AML documents (yet another company that can pull identity theft on you, fantastic!) for simply purchasing DGX at their exchange (https://app.digix.io) !

Now, of course, one can simply pull the DGX from another source (DGX will likely be available at shapeshift, poloniex, in the near (<3mo? guesstimation) future.

But it speaks volumes about the bind they've got themselves into.


Now, when people ask me about gold and silver, I give them the standard answer that unless you have the real physical deal, then you don't really own it. And to a large extent, I still stand by that.

But these tokenised assets in the blockchain do, I believe, bring something new to the game .. it is considerably different to own a gold etf, backed by empty promises, and which may or may not be redeemed for fiat at a time of your choosing, and owning a "gold etf-token" in the blockchain .. which, provided there is enough liquidity, traders can always get rid of, or acquire, at will.


I believe we're missing on a giant piece of the cake here, by not having these markets liquid. Sure, fiat currency mpa are also fine for this, but many people (yours truly included) like having some considerable hedging for them with metals.

We can position ourselves - favorably, even - against Digix. Other than dividends, Bitshares does everything their platform does, and at least as far as I can see, better. Our DGD is BTS, our DGX is bitGold.

If only BTS paid dividends But I digress.. and I don't think that by itself, that's enough reason to say Digix is a superior solution.

Of course there is no real gold behind bitGold, so there is that, some people will be turned off by that, others (who just want price exposition) couldn't care less. There's plenty of space for healthy competition, and while there is significant overlap in what DGX and bitGold can offer (mainly using gold for trading / saving online), each solution has its own unique advantages and disadvantages as well.

I do believe we are not making enough (any) of an effort to let this be known.

While Digix is gaining slow but very steady traction in the ethereum camp, how many people outside of Bitshares know of bitGold and bitSilver?
(also, can we have bitPalladium? :])


Hell, later on we can even get together and scheme for a shiny plastic gold card, and market it as "the gold-backed debit card!!oneone" .. people will go crazy. Crazy, I tell you.


I think OUR platform is much better for what they're trying to achieve (it has nothing to do with having been brainwashed by the cult of Bitshares! I promise!).

I think that if we mount a coordinated marketing campaign, make some pretty websites, and maybe get a few people together to brainstorm getting that plastic card going, there might be something here.

There's also liquidity, of course, but since we already have the bot infrastructure, it's "only" a matter of putting some pooled funds into them (could we obtain them from a worker proposal?)

Let me know what you think ..