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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2014, 12:54:13 pm »
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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2014, 03:15:50 pm »
AGS 只能用于换取BTS的份额,只是对3I的BTS这个产品有用。一旦换成BTS后AGS就不存在。
PTS相当于3I平台的股份,可以自由交易,3I的任何产品以及其他任何人在BTS上开发的DAC,pTS都拥有10%的份额。对于BTS,PTS拥有50%的份额。

一句话PTS是有股权的,AGS只是开发BTS平台的集资


不会,只要保留着你的PTS钱包,BTS发布之后的任何时间你都可以兑换(兑换工具到时候3I会公布)。
兑换后,BTS是BTS,你的PTS数量不变。

按这样理解,PTS和AGS就像一种股权凭证,3I发行的每一款产品,都是用PTS和AGS去领份子,不知道是不是这样?
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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2014, 03:33:40 pm »
AGS 只能用于换取BTS的份额,只是对3I的BTS这个产品有用。一旦换成BTS后AGS就不存在。
PTS相当于3I平台的股份,可以自由交易,3I的任何产品以及其他任何人在BTS上开发的DAC,pTS都拥有10%的份额。对于BTS,PTS拥有50%的份额。

一句话PTS是有股权的,AGS只是开发BTS平台的集资


原来这样,明了了,谢谢呀!

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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 03:40:27 pm »
AGS 只能用于换取BTS的份额,只是对3I的BTS这个产品有用。一旦换成BTS后AGS就不存在。
PTS相当于3I平台的股份,可以自由交易,3I的任何产品以及其他任何人在BTS上开发的DAC,pTS都拥有10%的份额。对于BTS,PTS拥有50%的份额。

一句话PTS是有股权的,AGS只是开发BTS平台的集资


不会,只要保留着你的PTS钱包,BTS发布之后的任何时间你都可以兑换(兑换工具到时候3I会公布)。
兑换后,BTS是BTS,你的PTS数量不变。

按这样理解,PTS和AGS就像一种股权凭证,3I发行的每一款产品,都是用PTS和AGS去领份子,不知道是不是这样?

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

If a dishonorable developer released a derived DAC that did not honor AGS donors it seems likely that some of these donors might feel justified in releasing a clone of that DAC that does honor them.  Then it would be up to the rest of AGS and PTS holders to decide which of the two DACs they would support.

This Social Consensus might continue long past the lifetime of Invictus.  Time will tell!






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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 03:45:03 pm »
谢谢 stan,这么关注中国市场  :D
经常看到 stan 在中文贴后回帖

AGS 只能用于换取BTS的份额,只是对3I的BTS这个产品有用。一旦换成BTS后AGS就不存在。
PTS相当于3I平台的股份,可以自由交易,3I的任何产品以及其他任何人在BTS上开发的DAC,pTS都拥有10%的份额。对于BTS,PTS拥有50%的份额。

一句话PTS是有股权的,AGS只是开发BTS平台的集资


不会,只要保留着你的PTS钱包,BTS发布之后的任何时间你都可以兑换(兑换工具到时候3I会公布)。
兑换后,BTS是BTS,你的PTS数量不变。

按这样理解,PTS和AGS就像一种股权凭证,3I发行的每一款产品,都是用PTS和AGS去领份子,不知道是不是这样?

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

If a dishonorable developer released a derived DAC that did not honor AGS donors it seems likely that some of these donors might feel justified in releasing a clone of that DAC that does honor them.  Then it would be up to the rest of AGS and PTS holders to decide which of the two DACs they would support.

This Social Consensus might continue long past the lifetime of Invictus.  Time will tell!

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2014, 04:06:42 pm »

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

If a dishonorable developer released a derived DAC that did not honor AGS donors it seems likely that some of these donors might feel justified in releasing a clone of that DAC that does honor them.  Then it would be up to the rest of AGS and PTS holders to decide which of the two DACs they would support.

This Social Consensus might continue long past the lifetime of Invictus.  Time will tell!

谢谢回复,原来AGS也不是单纯的只用于BTS的启动,同PTS一样,有可能有更长的生命期,这样看来,AGS与PTS的差别就目前而言就是PTS可以在市场上交易,AGS还不能

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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2014, 04:27:37 pm »
pts除了可被交易就真没什么优势了


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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2014, 05:43:39 pm »

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

我的理解是,一旦BTS发布,AGS是以BTS的形式存在,也就是说AGS已经不复存在了,因为都换成了BTS。但PTS在换成BTS后还继续存在,第3方开发的DAC必须支付PTS持有者10%的份额。这是强制性的分配

If a dishonorable developer released a derived DAC that did not honor AGS donors it seems likely that some of these donors might feel justified in releasing a clone of that DAC that does honor them.  Then it would be up to the rest of AGS and PTS holders to decide which of the two DACs they would support.

This Social Consensus might continue long past the lifetime of Invictus.  Time will tell!
对于AGS持有者,第3方开发的DAC不需要强制分配给AGS份额,如果这个第3方不愿意的话。


权益

对于所有第三方DACs,发布时必须分配至少10%资产给PTS持有者。
对于所有3I主导研发的DACs,发布时必须分配至少10%资产给PTS持有者,至少10%资产给AGS持有者,而剩下的80%资产的分配由开发者决定。

根据以上的规定,PTS的权益略大于AGS的权益,因为PTS持有者可以获得非3I公司开发的DAC的10%资产,而AGS持有者没有这个保证。

不可交易

AGS相对PTS的主要弱点。就是AGS不可交易,AGS本质是一个捐赠的公开记录,并非股权本身。。PTS持有者有自由在任何时刻将自己手中的PTS卖掉而获得一大笔法币,或是转换为比特币。而AGS持有者则不能这样做,他只能继续持有AGS并等候获取今后DAC的赠送。对于投资PTS的人,只要PTS市值涨了,他就可以随时卖掉PTS而盈利。而对于投资AGS的人,他回本和赚钱仅能通过各种DACs的赠送。如果万一3I研发不顺利,PTS持有者可以在对公司失望的时候卖出PTS来止损,AGS持有者则无法做出任何回应,如果3I失败,AGS持有者将损失全部投资。
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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2014, 06:02:26 pm »

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

从Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time这一句,我的理解是,3I公司倾向于让AGS在3I的产品中将具有与PTS同等的地位。

否则,为什么AGS能吸引一批人将手中的PTS通过赠送变为没有任何优势的AGS?只是为了1个PTS变为1个多一点的AGS?

看了这个贴,https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1826.0,对PTS和AGS有了更全面的认识。
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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2014, 06:44:14 pm »

Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time.  Every product Invictus ever produces will honor it, not just the first BTS chain.  Further, every honorable 3rd party developer that builds on top of the infrastructure that AGS donors have provided will be expected to honor the donors (not their servant Invictus). 

从Actually, AGS is expected to exist for a very long time这一句,我的理解是,3I公司倾向于让AGS在3I的产品中将具有与PTS同等的地位。

否则,为什么AGS能吸引一批人将手中的PTS通过赠送变为没有任何优势的AGS?只是为了1个PTS变为1个多一点的AGS?

There are two groups of stakeholders a third party might want to attract.  (1) All the people who were attracted to the mining of proto shares (PTS holders) and (2) all the people who were attracted to the idea of investing in an industry (AGS holders).  Together, these represent a distillation of nearly everybody you want to impress as a new developer.  With their support, you gain momentum quickly.  Without it you must start from the beginning -- or worse if AGS/PTS holders do not feel that you have honored their contributions as industry founders you may start with animosity.

Alternatively, you can go the old way and give away even more shares to mining pools and botnets just to try to attract some attention to your idea.  Who would you rather please?  The botnets? Or the established community of experts, investors and supporters?
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Re: PTS AGS集资 btshares前景讨论
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2014, 08:41:28 pm »

我的理解是,一旦BTS发布,AGS是以BTS的形式存在,也就是说AGS已经不复存在了,因为都换成了BTS。但PTS在换成BTS后还继续存在,第3方开发的DAC必须支付PTS持有者10%的份额。这是强制性的分配


不,BTS发布后AGS仍然会存在,而且会存很长期,会和PTS一样存在。第三方DAC支付10%份额给PTS持有者是使用了3I的代码资源时候才是强制的。
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2014, 10:08:59 pm »

不,BTS发布后AGS仍然会存在,而且会存很长期,会和PTS一样存在。第三方DAC支付10%份额给PTS持有者是使用了3I的代码资源时候才是强制的。

开始有点糊涂了,下面几个理解你看看是否正确。

1)BTS发布后,如果BTS发展推广得很好,那么PTS的价值就会越来越高,因为到那个时候,PTS是BTS发布后唯一能够转让的股权,任何想投资3I平台的人只有通过PTS这条途径。
2)BTS发布后,AGS仅能通过各种DACs的赠送来收回投资。 AGS的第一份赠送将会是50%份额的bts。对于未来的投资人来讲AGS毫无价值,如果3I平台能存在100年,AGS的投资者也无法将AGS遗赠给后代或他人。 3I只认那个捐赠的钱包,如果要捐赠人的钱包丢了,他的AGS的记录也就无效了。
3)如果底条是正确的,那么今后捐赠的钱包将变得很有价值,因为虽然AGS无法买卖但那个捐赠过的钱包可以买卖。

上面理解是否正确,盼请赐教



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