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BTS Greater China Representative[工作提案][worker proposal][bilingual]
ripplexiaoshan:
--- Quote from: Digital Lucifer on August 01, 2019, 05:15:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: bitcrab on August 01, 2019, 11:22:19 am ---
--- Quote from: sschiessl on August 01, 2019, 10:47:51 am ---Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?
A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?
Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.
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up to now the 147k CNY for 1st Devcon was paid by myself personally, without getting any fund from still or this worker.
jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.
so one choice is to pay this 147k CNY to me from the left fund of the worker, as the expense detail is clear and is in plan of BTS Greater China Representative, and at the same time we will continue to request still to provide more clarification of the other expenses. although we are not 100% sure we can get this done.
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Wait, wait... Witness Still haven't provide transparency for worker accounting and told you in polite way to fuck off and use leftover on unmanaged worker funds ?
Im sorry if im too direct, no bad meaning towards yourself or Jademont.
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The time flow is like this:
Before the worker was ended in 2018, witness.still confirmed to cover the expense of bitcrab for 1st Devcon by this worker.
Then witness.still has never provided transparency for this worker in this post since that.
bitcrab and me contacted him and asked him to provide transparency and reporting of this worker to end this worker, so bitcrab can get him money back.
Request was ignored.
ripplexiaoshan:
--- Quote ---jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.
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I confirm this. The guy who is controlling account "still" has left BTS community and rejected to spend more time on the reporting of this worker. I appreciate his contribution on this worker but it is very unprofessional to ignore the report.
--- Quote from: bitcrab on August 01, 2019, 11:22:19 am ---
--- Quote from: sschiessl on August 01, 2019, 10:47:51 am ---Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?
A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?
Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.
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up to now the 147k CNY for 1st Devcon was paid by myself personally, without getting any fund from still or this worker.
jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.
so one choice is to pay this 147k CNY to me from the left fund of the worker, as the expense detail is clear and is in plan of BTS Greater China Representative, and at the same time we will continue to request still to provide more clarification of the other expenses. although we are not 100% sure we can get this done.
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Digital Lucifer:
--- Quote from: bitcrab on August 01, 2019, 11:22:19 am ---
--- Quote from: sschiessl on August 01, 2019, 10:47:51 am ---Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?
A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?
Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.
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up to now the 147k CNY for 1st Devcon was paid by myself personally, without getting any fund from still or this worker.
jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.
so one choice is to pay this 147k CNY to me from the left fund of the worker, as the expense detail is clear and is in plan of BTS Greater China Representative, and at the same time we will continue to request still to provide more clarification of the other expenses. although we are not 100% sure we can get this done.
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Wait, wait... Witness Still haven't provide transparency for worker accounting and told you in polite way to fuck off and use leftover on unmanaged worker funds ?
Im sorry if im too direct, no bad meaning towards yourself or Jademont.
bitcrab:
--- Quote from: sschiessl on August 01, 2019, 10:47:51 am ---Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?
A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?
Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.
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up to now the 147k CNY for 1st Devcon was paid by myself personally, without getting any fund from still or this worker.
jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.
so one choice is to pay this 147k CNY to me from the left fund of the worker, as the expense detail is clear and is in plan of BTS Greater China Representative, and at the same time we will continue to request still to provide more clarification of the other expenses. although we are not 100% sure we can get this done.
sschiessl:
--- Quote from: bitcrab on August 01, 2019, 10:06:19 am ---
--- Quote from: sschiessl on July 30, 2019, 10:55:22 am ---
--- Quote from: bitcrab on July 30, 2019, 06:42:18 am ---
--- Quote from: sschiessl on July 30, 2019, 06:13:20 am ---Before talking about this worker, please wrap up the DevCon worker by itself. It is not clear how this deficit came to be since the funds of the DevCon worker are not accounted for, or at least I don't understand how yet.
Now on this worker:
It is a good example of reporting and escrow intent gone wrong.
There is no public information available how much funds have been spent on what. Just looking on the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out, which exceeds the asked for budget. This has been done with no clarification on the increased spendings whatsoever, or even reporting what the money has been spent on. On top of that, the escrow that was publicly communicated was only for show. The worker owner still had access to the owner key of the escrow account, and made use of it.
I don't see at the moment how funds of this worker can be re-used without calling a vote of the community. If funds are to be returned, return it by burning and not to committee.
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I feel there is some misunderstanding, the above account table is for the 1st DevCon in 2018, there is no worker for it, there is a worker for the 2rd DevCon in 2019.
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Ah, I totally missed the "1st" .... apologies. It does not change the remainder of my comment, in particular the last sentence.
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it's not "re-use", it's that the expense was in the plan and already happened however the payment from this worker is not done yet.
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Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?
A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?
Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.
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