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Can you approve Committee-account Proposal: 1.10.50903 to Create a new Worker "BAIP-Threshold"? Is one of the criteria to pass a BAIP(BitAssets Improvement Proposal)

https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0001.md

Hey Clockwork!

If you don't feel like approving this proposal, please don't do it. This gang comes witness by witness and member by member to try to force them into their agenda. But we are free men. We act out of our consciousnes as I am sure you will do in this case.

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Can you approve Committee-account Proposal: 1.10.50903 to Create a new Worker "BAIP-Threshold"? Is one of the criteria to pass a BAIP(BitAssets Improvement Proposal)

https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0001.md
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“Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.”

This is a very wrong thought,“Fairness” come from the rule,then the stakeholder can judge which wittness didn't follow the rule.

The bitusd had destroyed by the GS, NOW the committee want to destroy the bitcny with settlement, excellent, just do want you want to do.

 I see, NO ONE in the committee know the market.

 That' all, end.

I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price,the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.


So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

If you don't think we have better feeding then you probably don't remember what was happening due to odd CMC , poloniex etc prices back when the offset was changed to 5%

I heard the same argument about settled volume not proving anything when we went from 5% to 2% as well... But nothing changed.

There are not supposed to be any rules and the price IS supposed to be chosen by the witnesses themselves. Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.

anything else is more centralized and completely defeats the purpose of having the witness fed system in place

Then where is that rule ? Show me whitepaper, docs or Bytemaster's statement (who originally started this all mess without rules or proper governance/limits) and we will follow it. Or you want me to educate you on basic principles and logic of BitShares blockchain ?
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“Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.”

This is a very wrong thought,“Fairness” come from the rule,then the stakeholder can judge which wittness didn't follow the rule.

The bitusd had destroyed by the GS, NOW the committee want to destroy the bitcny with settlement, excellent, just do want you want to do.

 I see, NO ONE in the committee know the market.

 That' all, end.

I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price,the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.


So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

If you don't think we have better feeding then you probably don't remember what was happening due to odd CMC , poloniex etc prices back when the offset was changed to 5%

I heard the same argument about settled volume not proving anything when we went from 5% to 2% as well... But nothing changed.

There are not supposed to be any rules and the price IS supposed to be chosen by the witnesses themselves. Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.

anything else is more centralized and completely defeats the purpose of having the witness fed system in place

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I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price,the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.


So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

If you don't think we have better feeding then you probably don't remember what was happening due to odd CMC , poloniex etc prices back when the offset was changed to 5%

I heard the same argument about settled volume not proving anything when we went from 5% to 2% as well... But nothing changed.

There are not supposed to be any rules and the price IS supposed to be chosen by the witnesses themselves. Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.

anything else is more centralized and completely defeats the purpose of having the witness fed system in place

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I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price,the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.


So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

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So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

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So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

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You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

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Please Unvote 9 Witnesses that have No Feed Global Protection for BitUSD.

liondani, verbaltech2, delegate-1.lafona, xn-delegate, abc123, xman, fox, roelandp, in.abit

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28662.msg332430;topicseen#msg332430

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Please unvote these witnesses! These witnesses have not yet changed the MCR to 1.6, and they do not follow community consensus!

delegate-1.lafona
blckchnd
openledger-dc
verbaltech2

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28399.0

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Thanks to everyone voting for me so far!

Some of you I've already spoken to.

Anyone else wanting to discuss my proposal or anything else bitshares related, please reach out to me here, or telegram in the Bitshares DEX group (my handle is @clockworkgr), or Bitshares Discord (handle Clockwork).

In a shameless bit of self-promotion, I have started up a series of educational bitshares-promoting articles on steemit. Here are the first three so far:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@clockwork/account-model-wallet-model-and-security-on-the-dex-part-1-of-2

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@clockwork/cex-vs-dex-by-example

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@clockwork/account-model-wallet-model-and-security-on-the-dex-part-2-of-2-multisig

Any comments or suggestions are more than welcome!


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This is part of a relevant conversation I had with Discord user Diogo Gomes in Bitshares Discord #ltm channel.

Diogo Gomes:
@Clockwork, in your opinion what is marketing?
(sorry if it seems a strange question but is important for me)

Clockwork:
Not strange. Although not particularly related to my committee proposal.
Still, got a few hours? :)
Let's see if i can do a very short high level description.

Marketing includes all those actions by an entity (company, product, person etc. being marketed) either directly or by proxy (not in the bitshares sense :P) performed in order to create new customers(/consumers/users etc), 
keep existing ones and ensure the company/product/service/etc fulfills their needs/wants in the best possible way.

Depending on which part of these is targeted there can be many marketing goals. From increasing brand equity (i.e. making the entiry stonger within a market in terms of public perception) to educating users as to the use of a product/service.

And ofcourse all of those "sub-goals" can use a myriad of activities and channels either alone or in unison to succceed on those goals, from a customer support agent on a fb page  to a TV commercial to a Corporate Social Responsibility action etc.

Diogo Gomes:
@Clockwork What is your opinion about partnerships and merges with others protocols if, for that, big changes will be needed in the core code?

Clockwork:
Well. For a start I am open to all possibilities when it comes to other protocols and actions that will expand bitshares features and customer base.

Each one though would have to be evaluated on its own merits.
Big changes in core code are not bad per se, if and only if they
a) don't cause problems for existing bitshares functionality
b) they provide more than they cost

For example, a possible merger/partnership that would require a large code change but would expand userbase to 200% the current userbase (thus providing even more income to the network) would definately be welcome.
However, as I said, each such suggestions would have to be evaluated on its own merits, business case, costs, benefits, and potential pitfalls and obviously subjected to stakeholder voting.

Since you mentioned partnerships, partnerships with businesses simply USING the bitshares network are something I am not so keen about, simply because they're very very difficult to judge.

It would be nice to have "official bitshares partners", but how do you go about knowing enough?
From accounting to background checks to day to day operations etc.
If you consider the resposibility towards the bitshares stakeholders, it's not easy and such a badge would be seen as a proof of legitimacy when in truth there are still many unknown factors.

The global nature of this doesnt help either.
For example, an ICO of a bitshares based business in say Poland may sound great.
Their business plan is solid.
You somehow manage to get background checks on all people involved.
The team is very active and public with many updates to keep track of progress.
Their accounting is transparent.

And so on. However, do you (or anyone) know enough about polish corporate law to ensure it doesn't fail on a technicality? Chances are no and knowing enough to be able to provide them with an Official Bitshares Partner status would require a large amount of funds (in the example above, hiring a polish corporate lawyer to get a proper legal opinion)

Maybe in the future as the platform grows, these could be covered by a WP or even paid for by businesses wanting to achieve this status. As it stands now it's very difficult to do and possibly a waste of resources.

Diogo Gomes:
@Clockwork In your opinion, what is the greatest strength and the greatest weakness of the entire Bitshares ecosystem?

Clockwork:
Greatest strength, as mentioned in the forum thread, is the tech in general. From the DPoS system/stakeholder voting/committee/chain-funded development to the actual transaction speeds/features/bitassets etc.
Greatest weakness is probably the same. In the sense that it's very hard for your average user to wrap their head around which leads to voter apathy thus leading to less decentralisation (which should be Bitrshares' strongest point) as well as causing a lack of direction since there is a lot of opposition to certain suggestions with no suggested alternatives.


Disclaimer:
I have re-ordered some of the answers and clarified some points for forum use compared to the original conversation.
I have notified Diogo Gomes to check in case he feels context has been lost by my editing.
The conversation continued on to more marketing discussion which I feel is not quite relevant for this committee member proposal but is publicly available for LTM members in the Bitshares Discord here: https://discord.gg/zYMc4Ak if you want to read more.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2018, 01:47:33 pm by clockwork »

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Hello to all Bitshares stakeholders and the Bitshares community,

My name is Alex (clockwork) and I hereby apply for the Bitshares Committee in order to do my part to help grow the Bitshares ecosystem to its full potential.

A few words about me.

I am originally a tech/dev person (Information Systems Engineering degree) that has worked in multi-national marketing & digital marketing agencies for over 15 years.
Started off as a web-developer but quickly grew to Team Lead and Head of Development, then later on Head of Digital Marketing while for the past year I have been working as a Martech & Analytics expert.

As such, I have a wealth of experience within large multi-national Corporations and successfully completed hundreds of projects for large and very well known client brands while receiving many awards for our work.

As far as Bitshares is concerned, I have been a BTS holder for a while due to my belief in the platform from a technical standpoint which I find to be one of the most complete, performant and transparent around in the crypto sphere.

I was lurking while learning as much as I could about the platform (both from a community and technical standpoint) and in the last few months I have become active in telegram groups (also admin in Bitshares DEX group) as well as the Discord server (where I am one of the moderators) mostly doing my part in new user support (answering questions, explaining how things work and helping new users navigate their first steps in the DEX) as well as taking part in other stakeholder-interest discussions.

My goals in joining the committee fall essentially under three pillars.

Education: help the committee become more active and vocal with regards to the work being done and its decisions in order to provide more transparency and promote more discussion behind any plans and decisions,  thus getting all stakeholders (major to minor) more involved and furthering decentralisation.

Long-term Viability: Use my analytics background to regularly assess various fee schedule and chain parameter scenarios based on existing transaction data in order to find the most beneficial combination in the long-term for both the platform itself and all stakeholders.

Platform Protection: Assess all and any bitshares-related projects or information that comes to our attention to check if any action or announcement by the committee is required or applicable, in order to ensure that no Bitshares stakeholders are misled.

In short, if you wish to have a more active committee please consider voting for commitee member:

clockwork

or reaching out to your proxy to request their support.

Thank you,
« Last Edit: February 27, 2018, 10:52:02 am by clockwork »