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The second level collateral is an open idea .
« on: May 25, 2018, 10:44:38 am »
The shorter has the freedom  to choice settlement time or call price .
If he has the second level collateral ,such as gdex.btc open.btc .
Then,we have no reason to buy bitcny for adjusting.

BTS's value come from market,gdex.btc or open.btc 's value come from market too .
Nobody question bitcny's value ,but it is too scarce .
So ,may be ,we could hold bitcny by more collateral.
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/78
为了守住bitcny存量,可以用更开放的抵押机制。例如要爆仓了,可以补充gdex.btc为第二级抵押物以调节爆仓价,或调节爆仓单释放时间。


bitcny的量想稳定增长的话,只用bts抵押,有些偏颇了。因为bts的价格受btc影响。所以,用gdex.btc做爆仓前的第二抵押物,缓解爆仓时间或价格,是一个思路。

bitcny面临的是稀缺,而不是通胀。现在bts系统还是bm假设的bitcny通胀下的治理结构。我们对治理结构做下补充,能根据bitcny市场供需做出调整,才能实现设计初衷,服务币圈。
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 01:55:51 pm by ebit »

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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 11:46:21 am »
gdex.btc or open.btc is not based on the Bitshares's DEX core Assets,it based on the GDEX or OPEN gateway service.

I don't think it's suitable or good as the collateral.

BTS is not like the MakerDAO which can use ERC20 TOKENS as the collateral.


像这些网关资产都是半去中心的,我感觉作为锚定资产抵押物不是太合适,如果原子交换或者去中心化网关可以实现的话倒是可以一试。

而且多种抵押物的存在,可能出现的问题会更严重。

修正好现在的抵押及爆仓机制,再对相应规则进行调整,内盘的状况会比现在好很多。

将爆仓单的惩罚降至5%,同时对爆仓单收取5%的手续费加入公开市场操作资金,这样的话公开市场操作资金会提供相当大数量的锚定资产供应量。
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 12:15:10 pm by binggo »

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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2018, 01:32:55 pm »
建一个新资产吧。比如 GDEX.BTC 背书的 GDEXCNY
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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2018, 01:47:42 pm »
二类抵押物的用途局限在 延迟爆仓 的担保物。我们不适用二类抵押物生产 bitcny,只有抵押者要爆仓了,才可以给他这个选择权:可以拿持仓的gdex.btc按均价做二次担保。从而不立即把他的爆仓单甩向市场。

现有系统把抵押的bts甩向市场的目的,是为了保证bitcny的购买力不贬值。而事实是,bitcny正在升值,而且越甩卖越升值,内盘的bts都低于喂价了。abit调节MCR可以减轻甩卖,二类抵押物也是这个目的。而且二类抵押作为补充,并不伤害“保证bitcny的购买力不贬值”这一宪法。

The second collateral is not used to create bitcny ,its mission is a certificate.
When I will be settlement.
If gdex.btc as the second collateral,I can down my call price with it.
Otherwise before that i must sell gdex.btc for settlement.
Asset sell wall is a double hurt for BitshareS system,when BTS was dumped.



gdex.btc or open.btc is not based on the Bitshares's DEX core Assets,it based on the GDEX or OPEN gateway service.

I don't think it's suitable or good as the collateral.

BTS is not like the MakerDAO which can use ERC20 TOKENS as the collateral.


像这些网关资产都是半去中心的,我感觉作为锚定资产抵押物不是太合适,如果原子交换或者去中心化网关可以实现的话倒是可以一试。

而且多种抵押物的存在,可能出现的问题会更严重。

修正好现在的抵押及爆仓机制,再对相应规则进行调整,内盘的状况会比现在好很多。

将爆仓单的惩罚降至5%,同时对爆仓单收取5%的手续费加入公开市场操作资金,这样的话公开市场操作资金会提供相当大数量的锚定资产供应量。
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 01:50:55 pm by ebit »

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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 01:49:22 pm »
建一个新资产吧。比如 GDEX.BTC 背书的 GDEXCNY

虽然有用,但对系统的影响权重没有bitcny大。从大权重资产下手才效果明显。
这种新资产,更适合中心化交易所来采纳,作为充值渠道之一。
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 01:53:29 pm by ebit »

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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2018, 01:54:23 pm »
e, the one who can buy btc should can buy bts from the Exchange or dex....。。

呃,有能力购买BTC的应该也有能力在购买bts吧......

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Re: The second level collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2018, 01:57:26 pm »
The second collateral should back by BTS such as HERO or else difficult to calculate their value.
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Re: The second collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2018, 02:40:26 pm »
e, the one who can buy btc should can buy bts from the Exchange or dex....。。

呃,有能力购买BTC的应该也有能力在购买bts吧......

已经把抵押生产的bitcny都买了gdex.btc而面临爆仓的人,需要这个机制。这种人是优质客户,但面临爆仓内盘没深度,外盘来回折腾成本高。

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Re: The second level collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2018, 02:53:40 pm »
The second collateral should back by BTS such as HERO or else difficult to calculate their value.
I don't think so .your plan is good but  limited by BTS price .I love to shake off  BTS and open more market doors.The iou asset's market value and the BTS's  value  are equal in the exchange.

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Re: The second level collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2018, 07:47:17 pm »
For bitCNY or other bitAssets only bitshares as a collateral makes sense.
For other assets, we should allow to use other coins as collateral.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2018, 10:15:01 am by bench »
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Re: The second level collateral is an open idea .
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2018, 06:14:43 pm »
gdex.btc or open.btc is not based on the Bitshares's DEX core Assets,it based on the GDEX or OPEN gateway service.