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[Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: October 23, 2018, 11:04:25 am »
NAME:   bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
WORKER HANDLER:   smartcoin-marketing (a committee owned account)
TOTAL:   9M BTS
DURATION:   2018/11/10 - 2019/2/7 (90 days)
DAILY PAY:   100K BTS
WORKER ID:   1.14.129


“Stable coin” become hot recently and attracted much attention,  the event that USDT is discounted more than 5% bring great worry on this token that occupy more than 95% stable coin market shares, now there is a great market chance for smartcoins, we should not miss it and need to do some big promotion to extend the market share.

Now one of the biggest market for stable coin is exchange, exchange has the demand to adopt stable coin as base trading currency, to encourage every potential people in this world to help to lobby the exchanges to adopt bitCNY and bitUSD, after community discussion, now we create a worker proposal for a bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign.

1. Bounty quantity

the 4 most famous exchange: binance, OKEX, Huobi, Bitfinex.      1M/0.5M BTS

Top 20 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking                           400K/200K BTS

Top 50 in coinmarketcap  Adj.Vol(24h) ranking                           200K/100K BTS

open smartcoin market: one exchange open smartcoin market means the exchange adopt smartcoin as base trading currency and list at least 3
relevant trading pairs, including BTC/smartcoin.

if one succeed to lobby one of the 4 most famous exchange -  Binance, OKEX, Huobi, Bitfinex to open smartcoin market, he/she will get 1M BTS as reward for the first adopted smartcoin(either bitCNY or bitUSD), 0.5M BTS as reward for the second adopted smartcoin(either bitCNY or bitUSD).

for other exchanges, the reward is as listed above based on the Adj.Vol(24 hours) ranking in coinmarketcap.com.

2. Work verification and reward distribution
Bitshares Committee will take the responsibility to verify the work of lobbyist and decide the distribution of reward.

People who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.

it's possible that the reward for one event (one exchange open 1 smartcoin market) be distributed to more than one people/team, this depend on the committee's judgment on the contribution.

There is a 60 days observation period, if the smartcoin markets are kept open in these period, then the highest  Adj.Vol(24h) rank of this exchange in coinmarketcap in these 60 days will be used to determine the reward.

the worker proposal will end at 2019/2/7, only when exchange open smart coin market from when the worker proposal is active to the end day  then the reward will be distributed accordingly.

this worker proposal will collect totally 9M BTS. it will suffice if not too many exchanges adopt BTS.

if too many exchanges open smart coin markets and the totally 9M BTS is not enough to pay the reward, it is possible that open market operation fund release the fund to fill up the gap. however this need another discussion to reach consensus.

« Last Edit: October 24, 2018, 09:53:25 am by bitcrab »

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 11:18:21 am »
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
  • Can the Bitshares Committee please confirm taking on this responsibility? Lot's of unpaid reviewing might be necessary
  • What happens if not all 9M BTS will be paid out?
  • I assume the daily pay will go to the comittee-account. Will there be a transparent accounting platform now that the comittee wants to have two workers?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 02:47:31 pm »
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
  • Can the Bitshares Committee please confirm taking on this responsibility? Lot's of unpaid reviewing might be necessary
  • What happens if not all 9M BTS will be paid out?
  • I assume the daily pay will go to the comittee-account. Will there be a transparent accounting platform now that the comittee wants to have two workers?

I can confirm that  jademont and I will take the responsibility of reviewing the events relevant to exchanges in Asia, we hope the committee members from western world can also do that in their area however this still need confirmation, we'll try to help if possible.

if not all 9M BTS will be paid out, what  left will be refund to the reserve pool or kept in committee account.

the OMO worker is now voted out, later the left vesting balance will be transferred out and only one single committee-account owned worker will be left and the account will be transparent. if later there will be more committee controlled worker, we can create a specific account will is controlled by committee-account and handle the worker independently.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 02:49:29 pm »
fwiw, I'm willing to spend necessary time reviewing submissions as needed too

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 10:43:09 pm »
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2018, 09:24:53 am »
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.

this is  a little complex, need to do some assessment before marketing, I don't recommend it to be included in this worker proposal.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 10:30:34 am »
Lobbying is especially important right now, thank you for that initiative!

Questions on some details:
  • Can the Bitshares Committee please confirm taking on this responsibility? Lot's of unpaid reviewing might be necessary
  • What happens if not all 9M BTS will be paid out?
  • I assume the daily pay will go to the comittee-account. Will there be a transparent accounting platform now that the comittee wants to have two workers?

I can confirm that  jademont and I will take the responsibility of reviewing the events relevant to exchanges in Asia, we hope the committee members from western world can also do that in their area however this still need confirmation, we'll try to help if possible.

if not all 9M BTS will be paid out, what  left will be refund to the reserve pool or kept in committee account.

the OMO worker is now voted out, later the left vesting balance will be transferred out and only one single committee-account owned worker will be left and the account will be transparent. if later there will be more committee controlled worker, we can create a specific account will is controlled by committee-account and handle the worker independently.

To be more specific about the first point, all committee members should take responsibility on judging, just the Chinese committee members (bitcrab jademont abit ebit still) are more familiar with Asia exchanges so that they should take more responsibility.

However, I expect a wider discussion about the details to make this bounty more fair and more transparent while it can really incentivize people to do the job.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 01:45:29 pm »
I doubt a big exchange would accept these relatively low liquidity assets and take risk of being force settled and end up with bunch of BTS loosing its price dramatically. Especially when price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus and collective agreement to do so, or driven by open public threats to those who don't obey. 
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 07:27:55 am »
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2018, 07:43:11 am »
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

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LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2018, 09:52:00 pm »
I doubt a big exchange would accept these relatively low liquidity assets and take risk of being force settled and end up with bunch of BTS loosing its price dramatically. Especially when price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus and collective agreement to do so, or driven by open public threats to those who don't obey.

I think you need to learn more about how BitShares works, and refine your wording properly. As a significant player (I assume you're the face of OpenLedger) in the ecosystem, this is really important.

1. BitUSD holders won't be "being force settled" or "end up with bunch of BTS".
2. Talking about potential "BTS loosing its price dramatically" is not appropriate.
3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2018, 09:52:55 pm »
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

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LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step
This proposal aims for exchanges listing bitCNY/bitUSD as base currency like BTC or USDT.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2018, 10:18:19 pm »
I've negotiated with LATOKEN (number 36 when I looked  today) to list bitUSD and bitCNY for 7 BTC + 1 BTC in native token. Both will be listed with 4 pairs (BTC, ETH, USDT and LAT).

Notwithstanding the bounty and discussion over whether this counts as 'base' I would like to see us get listed and I've got a draft agreement from LATOKEN. I have emailed BBF for some guidance on how it gets finalised.

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2018, 10:25:56 pm »
That's the price for both by the way - negotiated down as it was originally per coin.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2018, 12:20:58 am »
I've negotiated with LATOKEN (number 36 when I looked  today) to list bitUSD and bitCNY for 7 BTC + 1 BTC in native token. Both will be listed with 4 pairs (BTC, ETH, USDT and LAT).

Notwithstanding the bounty and discussion over whether this counts as 'base' I would like to see us get listed and I've got a draft agreement from LATOKEN. I have emailed BBF for some guidance on how it gets finalised.

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There is no reason for movement and achievement like this that your Bounty is being used for listing. It would be also very bad incentive for future movements of Community like yours here. I believe that both BBF(maybe mistaken, but I've seen someone else's offer around) and bitcrab are offering Bounties for getting us on listings. Please be kind and send an email with details for LATOKEN on email I've PM'ed to You in Telegram, and I'll personally forward it to BBF with Worker Proposal that will cover the listing fee.

Blockchain is getting listed, and blockchain has to pay.
You are helping the blockchain with it, and you have to get your reward (bitcrab's bounty).

Please do not hesitate to contact me directly in Telegram if you need anything.

If anyone disagree with what I've just said, please provide reasonable "why".

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2018, 05:05:29 am »
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

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LBank already list BTS no? seems like a good choice to take the next step
This proposal aims for exchanges listing bitCNY/bitUSD as base currency like BTC or USDT.

I know. I was just commenting that it was a good choice  to target them since they ALREADY list BTS.

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2018, 08:06:15 am »
Thanks DL, really appreciated.

Note I'm also quite far along in discussions with Hotbit and  am just getting the draft package details.

Gemeni are not interested (competing stable coin so not that surprising).

Bitbay are not interested in stable coins at the minute but I'm discussing listing BTS with them.



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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 03:24:01 pm »

1. BitUSD holders won't be "being force settled" or "end up with bunch of BTS".
Accepted, my understanding of the mechanism was incorrect. Sorry for that.

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2. Talking about potential "BTS loosing its price dramatically" is not appropriate.
What's wrong with that? This may happen with ANY crypto or fiat currency.

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3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.
Originally the price was adjusted by some witnesses w/o consensus. This may happen again.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2018, 12:25:26 pm »
Ok I have 3 top 50 exchanges ready to list both bitCNY and bitUSD with draft agreements outlined. Each will list the two stablecoins against 3-4 pairs.

There is a bit of a fee to pay and some technical support required from the foundation side so have raised it to DL for him to look at and discuss with others more in the loop than me.

Notwithstanding discussion over whether this qualifies for a bounty (i.e. if the mention of 'base' mean more than securing 3 pairs for the coin) I'd love to see bitCNY and bitUSD entering the current public discussion around stable coins so really want to see the listings go ahead.

Happy to assist elsewhere as required - I'm not following up on my initial discussions with other exchanges at the minute as no point in ending up with 5 or 6 on board with no way to get them over the line :)

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2018, 04:01:18 pm »
Ok I have 3 top 50 exchanges ready to list both bitCNY and bitUSD with draft agreements outlined. Each will list the two stablecoins against 3-4 pairs.

There is a bit of a fee to pay and some technical support required from the foundation side so have raised it to DL for him to look at and discuss with others more in the loop than me.

Notwithstanding discussion over whether this qualifies for a bounty (i.e. if the mention of 'base' mean more than securing 3 pairs for the coin) I'd love to see bitCNY and bitUSD entering the current public discussion around stable coins so really want to see the listings go ahead.

Happy to assist elsewhere as required - I'm not following up on my initial discussions with other exchanges at the minute as no point in ending up with 5 or 6 on board with no way to get them over the line :)

This sounds awesome! Good job.
I'd like to clarify a few things:
1. DL and the "foundation" (assuming you mean the BBF) are independent entities. DL is with the MOVE institute and the BBF is separate from them.
2. The BBF can assist by providing an opinion letter about BTS, but has non for bitUSD/bitCNY so far. If the exchanges are interested in getting their lawyers connected, please send an email to [email protected]
3. For technical support, a 3rd party entity is required, the BBF has no resources to lead technical integration. Surely, there are companies in the space that can lead those efforts. If you need someone, contact me via [email protected]
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2018, 04:22:48 pm »
Hi Xeroc, yep sorry BBF :) I believe DL was going to raise it as a potential worker to the BBF as per his earlier post here and gauge it's likeliness to pass.

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Additionally it would be better for the worker to sit under someone more established / trusted in the community with a track record on some workers. I'm a trustworthy guy (honest!) but obviously nobody has seen me do much for Bitshares yet so I wouldn't expect the proxies to sign over X BTC worth of funds to me.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2018, 08:19:33 am »
Hi Xeroc, yep sorry BBF :) I believe DL was going to raise it as a potential worker to the BBF as per his earlier post here and gauge it's likeliness to pass.

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Additionally it would be better for the worker to sit under someone more established / trusted in the community with a track record on some workers. I'm a trustworthy guy (honest!) but obviously nobody has seen me do much for Bitshares yet so I wouldn't expect the proxies to sign over X BTC worth of funds to me.

100% correct and thank you! @Xeroc was just clearing out fuddy air that I'm not being part of or involved (partnered) with BBF.

Mathew, I'll reach you out later today (it's chaotic Monday), I've got some new info on exchanges you are negotiating atm.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 09:12:04 am »
this worker is to pay for what the lobbyist had done for listing, I feel the lobbyist may need to open other worker proposal to pay exchange the listing fee.

to me it is OK for a top50 CEX charge 8 BTC to list BTS, open bitCNY and bitUSD market with more than 3 pairs for each.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 10:53:10 am »
Can we add "lobby/convince CEX to enable borrowing bitasset with BTS via CEX" as a secondary bounty objective? It would help return BTS to the DEX, increase BTS buy pressure on affected CEX & solve CEX bitasset supply issues.

this is  a little complex, need to do some assessment before marketing, I don't recommend it to be included in this worker proposal.

I have some discussions underway on this and think I may be getting a little traction... Tricky but let's see. Will keep people informed.

(Note I know this is outside of the worker)

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2018, 12:59:54 pm »
I'm pretty sure its a waste of funds and reputation of bitshares.
Majority of top 50 exchanges have faked volume.
The proposed exchange of bitcrab is the worst bitshares could join.
RightBTC is known being run by Eric Gu who used it basicly to create fake volume for his own projects ETP ,ZGC etc .
The real volume there is nearly ZERO.
They don't even have a working withdraw system but are doing it manually with a delay of up to 7 days where you need to beg their support Betty Zhang to even process it.
Latoken's volume will be also a joke when monitoring the coins they listed before since they started asking to list anything as long as the coin is willing to pay their listing fee.
Real big exchanges won't list now bitassets because the risk a small uncontrolable group changes major settings is way to high as they would ever take that responsibility.

The funds would be just wasted instead of being used for real marketing.Listing on new exchanges were the volume will be near zero isn't helping any bitasset at all or are we going to ask Eric to create also fake volume for our bitassets ?

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3. "price fed by witnesses is voluntary changed w/o having a consensus" is incorrect. Witnesses are acting by consensus. As of writing, BSIP42's status is "approved" according to result of consensus voting.

I have never seen any accouncement how exectly the price feed will be manipulated and in which borders it will stay.
I doubt even 5% of the traders on bitshares knows how the price feed manipulation works and where its borders are if there are any at all.
Its a small group talking between themself adjusting and twisting and not informing the community at all.

Just because a handfull of proxies agreed on it doesn't mean the majority of traders agree on it or even have a clue what exectly is happening.
There was also no annoucement of bitusd feed price getting manipulated .It just raised by 40% .
This kind of behavior is the reason why no big exchange is going to implement these bitassets as a small group is using it as it is their private toy they can experiment with.
People using stablecoins don't look for these kind of experiments but for stability of contract.
Even a large bitshares group left our own bitassets because of that lack of trust thanks to your actions and joined diffrent stable coins like DAO.
You also want people to create more bitassets by opening margins (debt).
Tell me who is going to open any margins when their CR jumps in days from 2to 2.5 and back down to 1.6 without the market making any signaficant moves?

Its funny you are talking about an opportunity for stable coins because Tether is currently massivly under pressure as people don't belive that its backed 1:1 and at the same time talk about removing "black swan" so the CR could go under 1
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 03:26:54 pm »
Would it not be better to get BTS added to these CEX instead of a single bitasset?
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2018, 04:05:49 pm »
Would it not be better to get BTS added to these CEX instead of a single bitasset?

I remember someone mentioning there was already a listing bounty for BTS a few weeks ago (I think on Telegram?) but can't find the message.

To add bitCNY or bitUSD the exchange has to connect into Bitshares so adding any other coins (BTS, Zeph etc) would be much more straight forward.

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2018, 03:26:32 pm »

The worker would need to cover the listing fee and then some allowance for people on the Bitshares side assisting technically with the integration - I think DL is much clearer on the quantum of effort involved in that side of things (and who can do it) than me.

Although I'm not a big optimist regarding listing of bit assets on CEXes at the moment, I would like to claim that OpenLedger would be happy to provide technical integration of any of bit assets or BTS itself with a CEX software. We can provide an estimate for specific case.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2018, 04:52:15 pm »
There was also no annoucement of bitusd feed price getting manipulated .It just raised by 40% .
This kind of behavior is the reason why no big exchange is going to implement these bitassets as a small group is using it as it is their private toy they can experiment with.

I stopped my USD feed when USD feed manipulation started, despite xeroc and others being very direct in saying experimentation on that bitasset was dangerous and should wait for the MCR fix. Nevertheless, many witnesses decided to start playing around with BitUSD despite admonitions and the dangers.

I'm sure some of the witnesses that did so justify their actions saying bsip42 didn't prohibit it. In fact the only statement about when experimentation could start on BitUSD is:
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It will be good to apply the change to bitCNY first, which has much better liquidity than other smartcoins. After witnesses and community learned enough in the process it can be also applied to bitUSD.

When did we pass the threshold of "enough" ?

I have maintained from the start how loose and vague the language of bsip42 was, and have been vocal about tightening that up BEFORE the MCR fix is ready and another hap hazard, poorly organized round of "experiments" are conducted, but that thread has not gotten the attention it should have.

Another important point is that bsip42 can be enabled and disabled at anytime through the poll workers 1.14.118 and 1.14.119, which is the best thing about how bsip42 was written. However, as of this moment the NO worker has only 6 committee supporters while the YES worker has 8. The plain fact is bsip42 could be disabled at any time by committee involvement.

The bsip should never have been approved as written. It was too vague, especially regarding use on non CNY bitAssets. Xeroc has been vocal about wanting to support the bsip for CNY, but not USD. He was put in a bad position due to how the bsip was written. I presume that's why he is supporting the YES worker. IMO he should have pulled his vote for YES and added it to NO worker as soon as it became apparent manipulation of BitUSD started, but he didn't.

TBH and genuine with my sentiments on this matter I am disgusted by the lack of concern I see on this feed issue as well as how poorly our "DPoS governance" works to establish consensus on important matters. 

Although Thul3 was very blunt with his most recent remarks I can't say I blame him for expressing his dissatisfaction with a strong emotional tone. I also think he raises an excellent point about why would any legit, non-fake volume exchange risk listing out bitassets with all this drama going on. The ecosystem is not unified and doesn't seem to operate with consensus and clear understanding of how to manage or market bitassets.
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2018, 10:44:32 am »
at beginning I'll try LBANK and RightBTC.

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Hi Bitcrab - I contacted RightBTC on 20 October when we were discussing the draft worker. They are registered in Dubai which gives me some connection.

They have come back to me today with a quotation for listing bitCNY. I am not sure if you are discussing with them separately but I have private messaged you on Telegram so we can coordinate.

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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2018, 09:39:42 pm »
RightBTC is owned by Eric GU.
The CEO of viewfin who is running Metaverse and who scammed investors of Zengold which should be known by bitshares members on DEX.
The company is being operated from China.
Withdrawing something on RightBTC even BTS takes 24h and can go up to 7 days.
Just have a look at their support channel where each days people come begging to process their withdrawl request.
Also RightBTC is a very small exchange with faked volume where volume have been already excluded by CMC for some coins.


It would be a waste of funds for these mentioned exchanges.
Eric GU is even getting sued currently by Zengold investors.

LaToken is also only Top100 because of fake volume.
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2018, 07:07:12 am »
Just have a look at their support channel where each days people come begging to process their withdrawl request.
Also RightBTC is a very small exchange with faked volume where volume have been already excluded by CMC for some coins.

Hi Thule, we are doing due diligence at the minute on the exchange listing options we have - this includes looking at reputation / user feedback and any concerns over volume. We want to make sure any listings add genuine value to Bitshares.

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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2018, 12:13:11 pm »
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists? 
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2018, 01:10:10 pm »
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?
great!

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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2018, 01:12:50 pm »
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?

Do you have a link to them in CMC?

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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2018, 01:23:18 pm »
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html

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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2018, 03:25:30 pm »
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html

They have no impressum, or do state what is the legal entity behind the exchange (at least I couldn't find one). On the site and the "Contact" or "Join us" buttons are not functional.

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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2018, 04:13:41 pm »
BTS(比特股)登录BIONE交易所的公告 :D :D :D
https://bione.cc/a/detail1542792667000.html

They have no impressum, or do state what is the legal entity behind the exchange (at least I couldn't find one). On the site and the "Contact" or "Join us" buttons are not functional.

Not a very good sign of a reliable reputation either.
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2018, 04:22:23 pm »
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instead of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2018, 05:04:53 pm »
Just to note that bione.cc is going to list BTS and open the bitcny trading zone.

bione.cc is a new exchange but have top 20 trading volume, though some of the volume is not that reliable, but I feel like top 50 is their right place.

They ask for 7 ETH plus 300k BTS for listing fee and marketing.

How about pay 500K BTS in total for all cost including the compensation for lobbyists?

Do you have a link to them in CMC?

I am told that it's a new exchange therefore CMC hasn't listed them, but you can check their info from another website similar to CMC :https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/bione/

Anyway, I haven't made my mind to pay them yet, however, as they are showing interests in bitCNY and BTS, at least we can put this exchange on the watch list. After all, cointiger is the only exchange with bitcny trading zone, and we need more of them.
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2018, 05:13:33 pm »
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2018, 05:32:01 pm »
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.

Binance has real volume and getting listed there also increases reputation.However Binance would never list currently bitassets.You can trust me on that since i worked a lot with Binance in the past.AEX is also a legit exchange which had history even i don't like them much as they got many scam coins listed from early crypto times.
However they are working legit as exchange and prodviding a nice support for both chinese and international traders.

But the mentioned exchanges in this topic are just horrible.Have no real volume,no reputation their support sucks and will only lead to massiv complaints.
And you are wrong exchanges are creating fake volume to send out their so called representatives which contact projects via telegram and ask if a coin wants to get listed on a Top 50 CMC exchange where in reality they are not even in TOP 100.
They demand everything from 2-21 BTC for listing in hope a stupid project agrees on their terms.
What they do after listing is creating wash trading so the customer who spend on listing is happy to have some volume on CMC to make his project look legit.
However this kind of volume is not needed for bitshares and will only lead to massiv complaints and a lose of reputation.
Bitshares is mostly listed on top exchanges and thats why it has a good reputation.Starting listing its bitassets on scam exchanges will only lead to a reduction of bitshares positiv reputation.

Show me one legit exchange people offered here.
Bitcrab mentioned RightBTC.
Eric Gu the owner of RightBTC is being accused of scamming Zengold investors and has now enough trouble with ETP and its unnatural pump and dumps.
The exchange was created since he planned to move his company to Dubai from China but couldn't find any serious partner there so he decided to move his company to HK.
RightBTC is a project which gets no attention from him and was basicly created to create fake volume for ETP and ZGC which were excluded after a time from CMC as it was so obvious that the volume was manipulated by x1000

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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2018, 07:40:20 pm »
agree.
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2018, 10:06:41 pm »
Alt and Thul - we are decentralised, you do realise there is actually nothing stopping either of you raising a worker and trying to get backing for it?

At least then you could legitimately say "come on guys we are trying here back us up" and complain if the proxies aren't supporting you.

I started typing out some examples but the reality is you both know plenty of the things that could be done so get something out there.
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« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2018, 11:12:46 pm »
Alt and Thul - we are decentralised, you do realise there is actually nothing stopping either of you raising a worker and trying to get backing for it?

At least then you could legitimately say "come on guys we are trying here back us up" and complain if the proxies aren't supporting you.

I started typing out some examples but the reality is you both know plenty of the things that could be done so get something out there.

Worker for what ?Its unrealistic to think that you can get currently bitassets to any major exchange with some bribe/bounty .Thats not possible.
All you will get is low volume exchanges which will destroy bitshares reputation.
I worked with exchanges in the last 18 months so i know exectly what they requirements are and what their reply will be.
If it would be possible belive me i would take the bounty however i won't offer any shit exchange to the community just because its on CMC TOP 50.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2018, 03:40:05 am »
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.

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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2018, 04:48:19 am »
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.

binance这种顶级交易平台,1M BTS确实太少。5M-10M都可以考虑,bitcny,bitusd 一起上。我们的bitcny,bitusd如果本身稳定,没有其他状况,发展良好。那么会有更多大的交易所自愿/免费的增加bitcny,bitusd交易对。
现目前来说,上一个像binance这样的顶级交易所,比上几十个不知名,没有交易量的小型交易所效果要好。
如果我们对bitcny,bitusd有信心,那么还可以用 上币费+保证金 这种模式,毕竟对大型交易所而已 是有一定风险的。

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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2018, 06:46:47 am »
Worker for what ?

A worker for any of the things you guys are complaining about constantly - marketing for example. Everyone knows we need something but Xeroc is the only one I've seen source/share a proposal. Contact some companies or draft a scope.

You can also put yourselves forward as an alternative proxy / witness.

Or just keep complaining / sh*tting on everything without contributing anything productive - it's easy to do that from the sidelines.

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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2018, 07:30:53 am »
@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0
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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2018, 07:50:17 am »
in fact, to me the only problem for Bitshare is BSIP42, all I want to do is abondon the manipulate and give the correct feed price back.
other issues like the open market operation , bounty to be listed by a nobody exchange  are bad too, sure I will be glad to see these be canceled, but I don't care if these continued.

Bitshare is good enough, just wait the business development. all problems you thought it had are just for some special share holders, not for the system.

Worker for what ?

A worker for any of the things you guys are complaining about constantly - marketing for example. Everyone knows we need something but Xeroc is the only one I've seen source/share a proposal. Contact some companies or draft a scope.

You can also put yourselves forward as an alternative proxy / witness.

Or just keep complaining / sh*tting on everything without contributing anything productive - it's easy to do that from the sidelines.

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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2018, 07:59:45 am »
why not a committee? I would be glad to support you as a committee too.

@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0

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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2018, 10:43:23 am »
I will try UEX

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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2018, 12:54:51 pm »
I also has good contact with binance, it's me that convince them to list BTS. surely that's at their beginning,  far from No.1 in CMC.

yes it's very difficult to convince them to list bitCNY/bitUSD, but anyway, nothing impossible, and actually 1M BTS bounty is a little low for such a listing for binance, IMHO it's OK to pay a 5*listing bounty for binance listing.

however I don't think we need to just focus on the top exchanges, we also need small exchanges, people may remember when ETH is just online, no big exchanges list them, in China it is yunbi that list it first, currently as far as I know we have people working with Poloniex, try to persuade them to open bitUSD/bitCNY market, but we need not to ignore the small exchanges.

RightBTC do not have a good reputation, I stop connecting them. another exchange cointiger.com is interested in open bitUSD now, they have open bitCNY market long ago.

let's go to the market to find good chance.
We will always support you and thank you for your contribution to BTS.

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« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2018, 02:53:46 pm »
@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0

That's great to hear Thule, look forward to reading it and if you want any input / discussions on drafts I'm sure people would be willing to help - marketing is the big one that will take us to the next level.

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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2018, 11:03:09 am »
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

To be qualified for the bounty, a top 50 exchange has to list bitCNY and BTS and keep their ranking for at least 2 months, that's much higher cost than the rewards. I doubt exchange would play tricks just for the bounty. Even 300K BTS is not a big number at current price. 
If I remember correctly, we spent millions of BTS for listing on binance.com and aex.com, when the BTS price was much higher than now.
BTW, I really agree that we should spend most of the money for top 5 exchanges.

Binance has real volume and getting listed there also increases reputation.However Binance would never list currently bitassets.You can trust me on that since i worked a lot with Binance in the past.AEX is also a legit exchange which had history even i don't like them much as they got many scam coins listed from early crypto times.
However they are working legit as exchange and prodviding a nice support for both chinese and international traders.

But the mentioned exchanges in this topic are just horrible.Have no real volume,no reputation their support sucks and will only lead to massiv complaints.
And you are wrong exchanges are creating fake volume to send out their so called representatives which contact projects via telegram and ask if a coin wants to get listed on a Top 50 CMC exchange where in reality they are not even in TOP 100.
They demand everything from 2-21 BTC for listing in hope a stupid project agrees on their terms.
What they do after listing is creating wash trading so the customer who spend on listing is happy to have some volume on CMC to make his project look legit.
However this kind of volume is not needed for bitshares and will only lead to massiv complaints and a lose of reputation.
Bitshares is mostly listed on top exchanges and thats why it has a good reputation.Starting listing its bitassets on scam exchanges will only lead to a reduction of bitshares positiv reputation.

Show me one legit exchange people offered here.
Bitcrab mentioned RightBTC.
Eric Gu the owner of RightBTC is being accused of scamming Zengold investors and has now enough trouble with ETP and its unnatural pump and dumps.
The exchange was created since he planned to move his company to Dubai from China but couldn't find any serious partner there so he decided to move his company to HK.
RightBTC is a project which gets no attention from him and was basicly created to create fake volume for ETP and ZGC which were excluded after a time from CMC as it was so obvious that the volume was manipulated by x1000
Thanks for your input, it seems you are really familiar with the exchanges stuff, I appreciate it because we do need an adviser for this and hope you can contribute somehow instead of complaining. Anyways, bitCNY/bitUSD is not exploited as base currency by any decent exchange yet.

Then how about coinsuper.com and idax.pro? both of them are top 20 exchanges, but I am not sure about their real volume. They ask for not much, 4-5 bitcoin. As I know coinsuper is a Hongkong exchange with license and fiat channel.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2018, 09:32:19 am »
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2018, 09:41:53 am »
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2018, 05:17:10 am »
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.

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« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2018, 09:37:23 am »
Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2018, 11:53:53 am »
How do we coordinate payment of the listing fee?

I have five ready to go - three of them are good options, two (LATOKEN and RightBTC) I've been told to hold off on for now due to uncertainties over them.

There are two top 20/top 25 (depending on the time of day / week) which agreed to 6BTC / 8 BTC for bitCNY & bitUSD. I can change those to BTS and bitCNY and we can have them up by Christmas if we want.



Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

I would like to support the change too. How do you think @bitcrab ?

I agree to pay listing fee and bounty to lobbyist from this worker proposal, it's reasonable.
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« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2018, 12:44:50 pm »
Then how about coinsuper.com and idax.pro? both of them are top 20 exchanges, but I am not sure about their real volume. They ask for not much, 4-5 bitcoin. As I know coinsuper is a Hongkong exchange with license and fiat channel.

I spoke to IDAX a few weeks ago, they were keen to list BTS but not bitCNY at the minute. Where did you get the 4-5BTC figure from? Typically their fees were quite a bit higher than others (12 BTC + depending on the number of pairs).


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« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2018, 07:37:52 pm »
Don't get me wrong.
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.
IDAX is sending everyone a listing request.What does it bring to get listed on IDAX if the real volume will be like 1000 bitcny per day.

Wasting funds just because they are top 50 CMC instead looking for legit exchanges which are not top 50 as they don't wash trade so heavily is something i don't understand.
Do you want to bring real value or do you just wanna create an image based on fake volume


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Would rather this worker proposal go towards paying listing fee + some bonus bounty for the person who lobbied it. This is how you get listed, yep most exchanges are fake volume but nobody cares when it can bring new actual users to Bitshares. I'd support this with our vote with the above change^.

How many new users will exchanges like RightBTC,IDAX,Sistemkoin,Latoken etc bring ?
Compare that to the amount of new users which it would bring spending that amount of BTS in Marketing or legit exchanges and i doubt you will even get 1/10 on these exchanges .

Maybe it would be worth that you guys check the volume of these exchanges for new listed coins.
Its either none or a very high one (wash trading) where in reality you won't be able to even sell $1000 worth of coins/assets without crashing the price to nirvana

A good example RightBTC.Ranking number 22 which has BTS listed.
Trading volume for BTS in the past 7 days is ZERO .
So we are going to pay now the listing fee of bitassets and a bounty of 500k BTS and what volume do you realisticly expect that these bitassets will get when nearly all assets there have zero real volume.
LAtaken,Cointiger,IDAX,Sistemkoin etc all the same.
What value does it bring to get there listed ?
In my eyes these funds would be wasted for getting bitassets listed on these kind of exchanges which basicly exist and fake volume to find idiots who will pay for their listing fee's which is their main income.
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« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2018, 08:11:39 pm »
Why do you guys focus on top 50 CMC based exchanges.
Instead try real exchanges which are not top 50 CMC but with real history and real user base.

Have you got a list of non-top 50 exchanges fitting this category? Let's get in touch with them and get listed.

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« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2018, 09:01:41 pm »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2018, 05:48:36 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

nice job..

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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2018, 06:41:22 am »
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 
  • It could actually decrease its value as exchanges hold large BTS holdings and they could get hacked, or front-run their users, or manipulate the posted price.

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2018, 06:46:13 am »
the point here is not "listing BTS in more CEX", but "open bitCNY/bitUSD markets in more CEX".

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« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2018, 08:09:40 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.

Nice way of looking at it - Alexa ranking should definitely be considered for exchanges we are looking at as a bit of a sanity check.

Actually gives some interesting info on where people are coming to Bitshares from as well.. DPOS.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitshares.org


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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2018, 11:40:23 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?
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« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2018, 05:36:58 pm »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

Nice job. If we have option between livecoin and for example coinsuper, then I will support livecoin, but we don't. The question is, if we have an opportunity to have coinsuper to list bitCNY, should we accept it or refuse it?

Depends on the bounty and price you need to pay.Cointiger won't make much real volume on bitcny and there should be always the question can these funds be used in a more effectiv way.
In my opinion there are currently many nice solutions which will have a way bigger effect for the same cost like listing on cointiger.
Exchanges like hitbt or bit-z would be nice but getting there is not as easy as the fake exchanges.

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« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2018, 05:33:26 am »
At what point did "marketing Bitshares" become "listing BTS on more exchanges" ?

Listing a token in more places does not automatically increase its value and interest. 
  • It could actually decrease its value as exchanges hold large BTS holdings and they could get hacked, or front-run their users, or manipulate the posted price.

We already have gateways to move value in/out of our dex.

Please go back to advertising, and marketing bitshares ideas.  Like coindesk, etc.

One thing that I have been trying to do is use Twitter to share things that are going on in the ecosystem. The handle is @BTS_maximalist

Currently has ~900 followers.

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« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2019, 01:54:07 pm »
NAME:   bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
WORKER HANDLER:   smartcoin-marketing (a committee owned account)
TOTAL:   9M BTS
DURATION:   2018/11/10 - 2019/2/7 (90 days)
DAILY PAY:   100K BTS
WORKER ID:   1.14.129

Hi Bitcrab, was this worker active for a period and what funds did it accumulate?

Everything is on hold now due to Refund 400k but if there are some funds for this we could proceed with a listing.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2019, 06:45:53 am »
Just some example based on global traffic on websites according to alexa.


global rank

~4.700 Bittrex volume  $27 Million
~6.000 Poloniex volume  $29 Million
~7.300 Yobit volume  $15 Million
~13.000 kraken volume  $120 Million
~13.000 upbit volume  $151 Million
~28.000 gate.io volume  $36 Million
~34.000 livecoin volume  $10 Million
~46.000 btc alpha volume    $3 Million


Now have a look at the global traffic rank according to alexa of the proposed exchanges

~170.000 Sistemkoin $59 Million
~No Data IDAX  $282 Million
~46.000 LAToken  $63 Million
~399.000 RightBTC  $126 Million
~46.000 Cointiger $115 Million

Based on that Data you can clearly see that non of the bottom exchanges could even compete with Livecoin.I would even claim all would even lose the comparing against BTC-Alpha massivly which has Rank 87 and a trading volume of $3 Million.

LaToken has a fake volume generated by the exchange itself + numerous complaints through listings reported in Japan.

What is the number and what is the reality are 2 completely different things, and I suggest before anyone proceed with burning the funds based on Google research without a single interaction with mentioned exchange or at least account with some more experience to be proved - just forget about it.

Most important thing, this was about listing of BitUSD and BitCNY, where USD is currently under BS and not eligible for any listing at all.
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