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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2018, 03:20:22 am »
so can you explain why your feed price always follow the median price?

i also observe the activity of the feeding program for a while, what you said "always follow the median price" is also not the truth, consider the healthy of BitShares, you should vote rationally, but not emotionally. and stop yelling at everybody.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2018, 03:23:29 am by crazybit »

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2018, 03:30:35 am »
so can you explain why your feed price always follow the median price?

i also observe the activity of the feeding program for a while, what you said "always follow the median price" is also not the truth, consider the healthy of BitShares, you should vote rationally, but not emotionally. and stop yelling at everybody.
I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.
so I still hold the view you cheat us with a fake feed price.
and if anyone else think so, please  vote out crazybit.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2018, 04:34:40 am »
I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.
so I still hold the view you cheat us with a fake feed price.
and if anyone else think so, please  vote out crazybit.

I would ask anyone who is currently using baozi as a proxy to stop voting for them. They are causing issues with a majority of witnesses and alienating people. This is not what BitShares is about.
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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2018, 04:58:10 am »
I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.
so I still hold the view you cheat us with a fake feed price.
and if anyone else think so, please  vote out crazybit.

I would ask anyone who is currently using baozi as a proxy to stop voting for them. They are causing issues with a majority of witnesses and alienating people. This is not what BitShares is about.
oh, yes?
or I just point out these issues and try to fix it?
you even allowed crazybit to give the feed price higher than 30% more than a month after BSIP42 have been voted out, and do nothing.
you have your choise to ignore the issue and keep pretended everything is perfect.

I consider witness as an honor instead of something cheap for anybody.
I will continue kick out those not good enough to be a witness to defend the honor.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2018, 07:41:43 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2018, 08:02:50 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2018, 08:05:02 am by alt »

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2018, 09:18:14 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2018, 11:37:44 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.

in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed  price from crazybit will followed the median price.
in fact everytime he refresh the feed price, he always drop to the median price exactely.
other time, they are the same. even at 10:05, when he just changed back from 30% higher price, he droped to the median price exately.


after that, you can try to see other's feed price, you'll know what's the real price from outside should be.
here is a sample from magic wallet.witness, you can see every time he refresh the price, it's random arround the median price.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2018, 11:49:31 am by alt »

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2018, 02:02:36 pm »
Does not publishing price feeds for 'private bitassets' count as cheating? 🤔

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2018, 11:50:53 pm »
@xeroc
since you are the bigest proxy who support crazybit, what's your thought about his "accurate" feed price?

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2018, 02:28:49 am »
@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2018, 03:52:34 am »
@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?
it's fair.
you don't need share your key, you just need give your code and config file to a trusty memeber, log the price every 5 minutes to a file, check if it's accuracy as usually.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2018, 08:05:38 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.

in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed  price from crazybit will followed the median price.

10:05 just above the median
10:10 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:15 just above the median
10:20 just above the median
10:25 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:30 just above the median
10:35 same as median
10:40 no change fed
10:45 no change fed
10:50 same as median
11:00 below median
11:05 below median
11:10 below median (shortly after , someone else feeds below crazybit so crazybit's feed becomes the median)
11:15 no change fed (although median has increased)
11:20 same as median
11:25 no change fed
11:30 no change fed
11:35 same as median
11:40 same as median

and so on...

It's much more random than you make it seem.

Also, a GOOD price feed will set or match the median much more often.

If we were talking about the MEAN, it would be very suspicious I agree , as it would be VERY unlikely to be matched exactly.

Median however is just a value in the set  of feeds. i.e. at any given time at LEAST once of the feeds will be the median price. If it's a good feed, this will happen more often than not. As some witnesses use the same or very similar scripts, it's very likely that MORE than 1 witness will feed that price.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2018, 08:36:07 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.

in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed  price from crazybit will followed the median price.

10:05 just above the median
10:10 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:15 just above the median
10:20 just above the median
10:25 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:30 just above the median
10:35 same as median
10:40 no change fed
10:45 no change fed
10:50 same as median
11:00 below median
11:05 below median
11:10 below median (shortly after , someone else feeds below crazybit so crazybit's feed becomes the median)
11:15 no change fed (although median has increased)
11:20 same as median
11:25 no change fed
11:30 no change fed
11:35 same as median
11:40 same as median

and so on...

It's much more random than you make it seem.

Also, a GOOD price feed will set or match the median much more often.

If we were talking about the MEAN, it would be very suspicious I agree , as it would be VERY unlikely to be matched exactly.

Median however is just a value in the set  of feeds. i.e. at any given time at LEAST once of the feeds will be the median price. If it's a good feed, this will happen more often than not. As some witnesses use the same or very similar scripts, it's very likely that MORE than 1 witness will feed that price.
it's really hard for me to teach you guys some common sence...
the probability of the match of his price and median price is less than lottery ticket.

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Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2018, 08:39:37 am »
@alt, You're wrong on this one.

Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.

He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)

This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.

in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed  price from crazybit will followed the median price.

10:05 just above the median
10:10 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:15 just above the median
10:20 just above the median
10:25 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:30 just above the median
10:35 same as median
10:40 no change fed
10:45 no change fed
10:50 same as median
11:00 below median
11:05 below median
11:10 below median (shortly after , someone else feeds below crazybit so crazybit's feed becomes the median)
11:15 no change fed (although median has increased)
11:20 same as median
11:25 no change fed
11:30 no change fed
11:35 same as median
11:40 same as median

and so on...

It's much more random than you make it seem.

Also, a GOOD price feed will set or match the median much more often.

If we were talking about the MEAN, it would be very suspicious I agree , as it would be VERY unlikely to be matched exactly.

Median however is just a value in the set  of feeds. i.e. at any given time at LEAST once of the feeds will be the median price. If it's a good feed, this will happen more often than not. As some witnesses use the same or very similar scripts, it's very likely that MORE than 1 witness will feed that price.
it's really hard for me to teach you guys some common sence...
the probability of the match of his price and median price is less than lottery ticket.

no it isnt... MEDIAN != MEAN