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binggo:

--- Quote from: Thul3 on June 06, 2020, 04:32:50 pm ---Am adding my vote for committee liondani and evengelist.
Even i don't really support them as both are not activly participating i will add my vote to lower the committee voting power of other members so it won't be possible anymore that only 4 committee members approve a committee proposal even the other 7committee members are against it.
It's a try to secure committee funds and parameters against misuse.

Increasing the numbers of needed approvel from 4 to 5/6 out of 11 is just fair.

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Am adding my vote for committee liondani and evengelist too, as the committee shouldn't be controlled by the people coming from the same group(cn-vote).

Thul3:
Am adding my vote for committee liondani and evengelist.
Even i don't really support them as both are not activly participating i will add my vote to lower the committee voting power of other members so it won't be possible anymore that only 4 committee members approve a committee proposal even the other 7committee members are against it.
It's a try to secure committee funds and parameters against misuse.

Increasing the numbers of needed approvel from 4 to 5/6 out of 11 is just fair.

binggo:

--- Quote ---for the force settlement fee, suppose we set bitCNY force settlement fee as 1%, if one day 1M BTS settled, system will get 10K BTS as fee, I don't know why you always talk about $5/day.

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suppose we set bitCNY force settlement fee as 10% and offset as -10%, if one day 1M BTS settled, how substantial revenue！！！


--- Quote ---maybe you dislike this worker, up to you, but this worker really come out after long time discussion, it get great support in China community.
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OK, OK, this worker really really rellay come out after long time discussion by some small groups! Very fair!

bitcrab:
will give an answer on several aspects in this weekend.

1.Chinese committee members and cn-vote
Yes, Chinese members constitute the majority of committee.

not all Chinese committee members represent cn-vote, actually only kang8 and zhouxiaobao-2010 are proxies of cn-vote, abit, jademont, btsai and me are neutral.

Yes, Chinese committee members communicate more between each other than with others because of sharing the same culture, language, timezone, etc. but this does not mean we decide things by ourselves without discussing with other members.

operations like claiming bitCNY fee and buying back BTS are daily operations, in my view it's important to do this in high efficiency, with informing all the committee members.

I don't know what deal cn-vote has made with BEOS, but I don't think that's a big problem, in my view BEOS is even healthier than some whales in voting.


2. core prelude worker

yes, sometime before China community terminate the old core worker. because:

1. in the bear market core team always sell BTS to press price.
2. China community do not feel what the core team is building is what they really need.

but even with the help of ZB, now the refund400K get only 5.8 billion voting power, too high? don't you think it's reasonable for a worker to get higher voting power to get fund?

in recent past, I feel it's necessary to reorganize the core team work and suggest to the community, DL did a lot coordination work on this, he talked to each team member, he discussed with all big voters, China community also has discussed on this, finally the consensus is the core prelude worker, and a subsequent main worker which is still in plan, with P2P Lending as the main new feature.

the core prelude worker is for 4.0 launch with some added charging features. which is greatly needed at this moment.

for the force settlement fee, suppose we set bitCNY force settlement fee as 1%, if one day 1M BTS settled, system will get 10K BTS as fee, I don't know why you always talk about $5/day.

maybe you dislike this worker, up to you, but this worker really come out after long time discussion, it get great support in China community.

3.picture of Bitshares.

what I describe below is a picture of Bitshares in my brain, it is not drafted by myself, but by many people, it is not definitely the future of BTS, it need to go across voting and implementation to realization.

redefinition of smartcoin:

the core flaw of the initial smartcoin design is that it always lead to death spiral, which make debt position owners always pay a lot for the peg of smartcoin, and if always make down trend of BTS price.

BSIP76 and BAIP2 redefined smartcoin to an updated derivative of BTS, the updated bitCNY is a derivative that not linked to the market price of BTS, but to a function of market price of BTS, exactly speaking, bitCNY ~ max(0.22, MA24 of BTS, real time price of BTS).

the updated bitCNY do not focus on the real time pegging to CNY， however，it peg to CNY sometime and peg off other time, and the pre condition is that BTS price go and stably keep above 0.22CNY, this change removed the death spiral but make bitCNY a financial tool for risk hedge，arbitrage and speculation.

DEX income supported token
the core prelude worker add several new features of charging, the accumulated fee will be used to buy back BTS to support BTS price.

trading contest/order mining is another important feature of current BTS, market making is one important feature of exchange, trading contest is to encourage market making, and it will finally lead to higher system income.

P2P Lending

it will be the most important feature in the subsequent main core worker, it will enable the leverage trading between any assets.


 

Thul3:

--- Quote from: abit on April 07, 2020, 01:18:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Thul3 on April 05, 2020, 09:12:19 pm ---Removed my support from Abit as committee.
He changed the last months dramaticly to no work ethics.

He has no problems with bribes,inside deals,support scam workers (which he admited on tg) and voting not based on how supportive someone is for bitshares but how quite a witness is on scams like the scam exchange.


Here his talk about deciding why a witness should be voted in or out


--- Quote ---dima was spreading hates in the groups, while lafona kept silence. so actually I'd rather vote for lafona
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--- Quote ---so vote buyng is fine?
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--- Quote ---if the outcome is positive, it's fine for me.
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Discussion between another Dev and Abit about paying 2 times for the same audit on the core prelude worker
$75/h to abit and later for the same work 3% of all funding to bbf

Of course no vote buying with reserve pool ?

There is way way more where he is justifying bad actions.These two are just from today

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This is exactly how Dima tricked me into a conversation to make me look like a bad guy. That's one of the reasons that I don't like to vote for him.

You often copy paste selectively without full context, which is a shame on you.

I haven't changed. I'm all for pushing forward and making progresses. You had supported this, thank you for that. Admittedly some progresses require compromises. I mainly look at the final results aka the overall outcomes which I mentioned in the conversation. Focus more on the big picture, but not the peanuts.

Rome is not built in one day, we have to go forward step by step, little by little. The spirit of the new core worker is just in this direction, work on the easily achieved things first aka the low-hanging fruits, but not blindly rush into some imaginations of fancy features which require much efforts but don't know who will use or benefit from.

Wish you the best.

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Like Bingo asked tell us about the big picture because currently i see only garbage and nothing more.
Getting the old structure and abuse back we had before
Bitcrab/Jademont/ZB/Abit with the help of BEOS.

Would i remove my support from last 2 western neutral committee all what is left are committee from cn-vote and beos.
Very dangerous as they have clearly big diffrences in responsiblity and ethics.

Witnesses like Dima or clockwork were voted out because CN-Vote supports witnesses from BEOS who provide NOTHING to bitshares in exchange to get their witnesses voted up.

What bigger picture do we have here when killing our supporters which provide progress and infra like ES Node in exchange for nothing?

Same goes for committee and the inside deal between cn-vote and beos to vote 3 of their members in exchange to vote members from cn-vote in.
You asking me hours after i removed my vote from jonathan  to keep some neutral members in committee (at the same day you (cn-vote/bitcrab) voted them in as committee showed me you were aware of the inside deal if not even took activly part in it.

Haven't seen Liondani or Evangelist participating in committee since you voted them in.
Chinese committee members are only in their own closed group not even in the committee wechat group which have been created and are only voting when bitcrab creates a proposal.

So what is the bigger picture here ?That bitcrab doesn't need support of committee anymore to change something but just ask chinese committee members from cn-vote to approve something without any discussion outside of cn-vote closed group ?


A small chinese group clearly misusing the votes from ZB for their own agenda.
What is the bigger picture here ?


You talk about compromise ?
Which compromise did the chinese group do when dictating 100% of core roadmap without consultation with rest of community ?
The core prelude work is crap.
Irrelevant to bitshares at this stage.

So what is the bigger picture other than dividing the community forcing the rest to accept only your own vision which bitcrab proofed in the past already multiple times to be wrong.

What is the bigger picture to support scam exchanges at all cost where the community was clearly divided and you knowing that volumes are total fake ?

Are you sure chinese are able to make anymore good decissions ?

Am asking because since old leadership from cn-vote got kicked out when raising their concern about the wrong route cn-vote is going i saw not a single action from cn-vote which would uphold the standards of old leadership.

All i see are inside deals,scam worker support and forcing the whole community to accept the view of a small chinese group.

You say you have majority of votes.
I disagree you buy votes.You are not better than BEOS.BEOS is supporting cn-vote ONLY because they hope to get a favour vote back from cn-vote to fund the integration of BEOS via bitshares reserve pool.

So you don't have the majority of community.You are vote buying and nothing more.
Also the diffrence between active worker and not is just 30 million votes even you bought votes from BEOS.


But i'm happy to hear the bigger picture which i'm unable to see.
I guess i can't see that a $5/day profit from fees is going to bring bitshares forward.

People lost trust in gateways and you focus on taking fees on the last 2 signifant gateways we have.


What i see is a dangerous situation where committee is now in full control of cn-vote and witnesses being replaced based on inside deals for selfish profit only.You are destroying bitshares infrastructur by doing this.

After that i see support of scam workers and most disgusting a cowork with some people from cn-vote and beos to get their integration funded for the benefit of BEOS owners ONLY....


But hey i don't see the bigger picture.........waiting for you to explain us the bigger picture


Btw how come cn-vote and ZB added simultanously their votes for BEOS witnesses when making an inside deal ?

ZB being driven by a high ranked chinese member aka bitcrab ?


Also i would like to ask since bitshares is a trustles decentralized project why cn-vote is supporting centralization of bitshares giving power to one person ?


A single person holding on bitshares

Domain
Brand
Legal
Core
Infra
New Forum
Escrow
Move Institut

makes bitshares decentralized  ?

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