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建议cny区MCR改150
« on: September 24, 2019, 11:50:49 pm »
建议MCR改150,现在市场极度缺少cny,能救一部分人是一部分吧!

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2019, 12:08:53 am »
我想的是这样,侧面供给,一定程度上降低智能资产大量减少时带来的负面影响,尤其对缺乏承兑窗口的bitusd有益处,当然现在降MCR是最简单直接的方案:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29618.0
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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 02:01:46 am »
支持,cny严重短缺

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2019, 10:02:59 am »
现在充值手续费都3--5个点了,市场严重缺少cny

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2019, 10:18:52 am »
Committee has funds which do nothing.
It would be so easy to support BTS price.

Borrow bitUSD exchange against USDT.
Buy BTS on CEX to support price and bring BTS back to DEX.
At DEX sell BTS for bitfiat.
Increased price feed via buy support will make that people will be able to take more debt to buy the BTS for bitfiat.

$50k on CEX is like $700k on DEX


Bitshares is so wide open for manipulation and nobody is doing anything against it.So easy to currently manipulate BTS price.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 10:20:47 am by Thul3 »

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2019, 10:43:10 am »
Committee has funds which do nothing.
It would be so easy to support BTS price.

Borrow bitUSD exchange against USDT.
Buy BTS on CEX to support price and bring BTS back to DEX.
At DEX sell BTS for bitfiat.
Increased price feed via buy support will make that people will be able to take more debt to buy the BTS for bitfiat.

$50k on CEX is like $700k on DEX


Bitshares is so wide open for manipulation and nobody is doing anything against it.So easy to currently manipulate BTS price.

Essentially the inverse action to avg action. +5%

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 10:55:26 am »
Committee has funds which do nothing.
It would be so easy to support BTS price.

Borrow bitUSD exchange against USDT.
Buy BTS on CEX to support price and bring BTS back to DEX.
At DEX sell BTS for bitfiat.
Increased price feed via buy support will make that people will be able to take more debt to buy the BTS for bitfiat.

$50k on CEX is like $700k on DEX


Bitshares is so wide open for manipulation and nobody is doing anything against it.So easy to currently manipulate BTS price.

You didn't need to trade in CEX, just trade bts/GDEX.btc or bts/OPEN.BTC or bts/gateway.BTC in DEX ;).

不需要去CEX去做交易, 在内盘   bts/网关.BTC交易对 进行交易就行.
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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2019, 11:09:31 am »
Committee has funds which do nothing.
It would be so easy to support BTS price.

Borrow bitUSD exchange against USDT.
Buy BTS on CEX to support price and bring BTS back to DEX.
At DEX sell BTS for bitfiat.
Increased price feed via buy support will make that people will be able to take more debt to buy the BTS for bitfiat.

$50k on CEX is like $700k on DEX


Bitshares is so wide open for manipulation and nobody is doing anything against it.So easy to currently manipulate BTS price.

You didn't need to trade in CEX, just trade bts/GDEX.btc or bts/OPEN.BTC or bts/gateway.BTC in DEX ;).

不需要去CEX去做交易, 在内盘   bts/网关.BTC交易对 进行交易就行.

1.Since is borrowed bitfiat i want to have minimal risk.BitUSD against OPEN.USDT is always nearly 1:1 where  BTC price is volatile and committee wouldn't be able to adjust price so often and quickly
2.Liquidity on major assets is very limited which means you need a period of collecting thats why stablecoin

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You didn't need to trade in CEX, just trade bts/GDEX.btc or bts/OPEN.BTC or bts/gateway.BTC in DEX ;).
How exectly do you mean that ?
And why exectly isn't it already working if DEX has way more liquidity (bitfiat and volume) compared to CEX and even very often a higher BTS price ?


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Essentially the inverse action to avg action. +5%
yes
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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 11:40:41 am »
How exectly do you mean that ?
And why exectly isn't it already working if DEX has way more liquidity (bitfiat and volume) compared to CEX and even very often a higher BTS price ?

The trading pair of BTS/gateway.BTC is different with BTS/bitfiat.

The volume of the bitfiat can't affect the trading pair of BTS/gateway.BTC.

Pirce feed come from the CEX, if trading pair of BTS/gateway.BTC have more liquidity, it will affect the price feed.

If Committee buy bts from CEX, and dump BTS in DEX, then somebody will buy BTS from DEX which were dumped and sell in CEX again, can't sovle anything.

The main problem is if the committee has enough fund to support.

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019, 11:56:35 am »
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Pirce feed come from the CEX, if trading pair of BTS/gateway.BTC have more liquidity, it will affect the price feed.

This would mean you need to offer higher price of BTC on BTC/BTS pair .
You would need to accuire and hold volatile BTC
Also you don't know if let's assume $30-40k batch would be really used for arbitrage on CEX

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If Committee buy bts from CEX, and dump BTS in DEX, then somebody will buy BTS from DEX which were dumped and sell in CEX again, can't sovle anything.
committee is not dumping but selling based on feedprice .
Raising price on feed price normaly makes people to take new debt and buy BTS.
You can watch a 5% raise in feed price which can be imo achieved by $50k brings arround $700k new debt on DEX.
New debt normly quickly buys BTS which are on DEX avaibable.

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The main problem is if the committee has enough fund to support.

In my opinion yes but some members fear to lose some money when supporting BTS price.

My question is for what reason does committee gets funds if its worried about spending/losing a bit for the good of bitshares.

What does more harm to bitshares maybe losing a few k's or letting the price keep dropping.

Should debt holders get rekkt bitshares will lose again a part of its community.

And in any business members/customers are the most expensiv good a company has because accuiring new customers is always the most expensiv point for any company.

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019, 12:27:51 pm »
This would mean you need to offer higher price of BTC on BTC/BTS pair .
You would need to accuire and hold volatile BTC
Also you don't know if let's assume $30-40k batch would be really used for arbitrage on CEX

Bitfiat--BTC--waitting--BTS--debt--Bitfiat

Arbitrage for Committee is not very suitable, this should let the market do it.

Use the fund to settlement is the more better way for now.

Trade in CEX is very dangerous, CEX can make a false trading like ZB and forbidden withdraw for a long time like poloniex.

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committee is not dumping but selling based on feedprice .
Raising price on feed price normaly makes people to take new debt and buy BTS.
You can watch a 5% raise in feed price which can be imo achieved by $50k brings arround $700k new debt on DEX.
New debt normly quickly buys BTS which are on DEX avaibable.

I think this almost was determined by the market sentiment.

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019, 12:39:13 pm »
settlement fund has no influence on price feeds at this situation and it also takes time to create one
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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019, 12:50:14 pm »
settlement fund has no influence on price feeds at this situation and it also takes time to create one

The largest role of settlement is the market expectations, it will influence the price feed if the volume is big enough.

Yes, it will take time to create one.

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2019, 05:45:40 pm »
建议MCR改150,现在市场极度缺少cny,能救一部分人是一部分吧!
为什么不在cn-vote说?

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Re: 建议cny区MCR改150
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2019, 11:47:04 pm »
建议MCR改150,现在市场极度缺少cny,能救一部分人是一部分吧!
为什么不在cn-vote说?
cn-vote已经在进行投票了