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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2019, 08:28:30 am »
我觉得可以用 延迟喂价+步进下跌的方法,整套算法,来解决用内盘价喂价插针的问题。
强清可以延迟为什么喂价爆仓不行呢?

这个跟zhouxiaobao同学的提法有共通之处,延迟下跌是一个可行之的方案,就看具体怎么演化及找到足够的逻辑性支撑。
关键是要把内盘价格做一部分权重到喂价中,再加以合理的限制,不让内盘做喂价的权重变的太风骚,就会是一种变相做多的方式,外盘做空也会有所顾忌,不敢太过于肆意妄为,到时候内盘的大户们也可以尝试一把拉盘的快感。

比如ZB空头狗庄开启疯狂模式,但是因为内盘价格在喂价中有相当的权重,内盘的大户们不愿意再受空头狗庄的各种凌辱,内盘开始托盘,这时候喂价就会在内盘价格权重与外盘价格权重中来回摇摆找平衡,如果内盘大户们够强壮,完全可以拉住喂价缓跌或者不跌,甚至上升。
如果再加上几个爆仓缓冲区,比如爆仓抵押线分离及无风险借贷降抵押,内盘的大户们应该有机会风骚一把。

我认为有几点必须要保证:

1. 内盘价格必须在喂价中占有权重,让内盘大户有搏一把的能力,同时加以优化避免MSSR带来的冲击;

2. 设计几个爆仓缓冲区,避免爆仓单提前助力;

如何?

小老弟们,喂价改革不仅仅是改喂价,还要找各种帮手来帮忙才行啊。

现在有这么几种假想方案,大家可以比较发散一下看看:

工会的:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29698.0

其它的:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28418.0
« Last Edit: October 19, 2019, 09:22:30 am by binggo »

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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2019, 11:38:03 pm »
What about giving this blocktrades's idea a chance?

We did try several things in the last months/years, I think we can afford another experiment, moreover if this experiment tries to rely more on our decentralized exchange.

I understand that there are some reservations and concerns, but I think we can try to apply some stratagem to remedy or at least to limit the possibility of negative outcomes.

For instance, we could try this new approach once the market making contest is started.
Thanks to the market making contest, we hope to have:
  • Multiple reliable gateways with active deposit and withdrawal
  • These gateways should gain more trust since they will provide evidence about their assets being fully-backed
  • More liquidity/volume in specific inner markets

We could derive our bitassets prices from these same inner markets (directly or indirectly) that hopefully will see an increase in liquidity: such as BTS/BTC, BTS/ETH, and BTS/USDT
To avoid some bad feedback-loop and/or our inner markets being crashed due to higher pressure from cex's bts markets, we can still apply some trick that we already use.

We could feed:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, price-from-cex)
or, in line with the latest proposal from cn-vote group:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, moving-average-price-from-cex)
Thoughts?

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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2019, 01:24:12 am »
What about giving this blocktrades's idea a chance?

We did try several things in the last months/years, I think we can afford another experiment, moreover if this experiment tries to rely more on our decentralized exchange.

I understand that there are some reservations and concerns, but I think we can try to apply some stratagem to remedy or at least to limit the possibility of negative outcomes.

For instance, we could try this new approach once the market making contest is started.
Thanks to the market making contest, we hope to have:
  • Multiple reliable gateways with active deposit and withdrawal
  • These gateways should gain more trust since they will provide evidence about their assets being fully-backed
  • More liquidity/volume in specific inner markets

We could derive our bitassets prices from these same inner markets (directly or indirectly) that hopefully will see an increase in liquidity: such as BTS/BTC, BTS/ETH, and BTS/USDT
To avoid some bad feedback-loop and/or our inner markets being crashed due to higher pressure from cex's bts markets, we can still apply some trick that we already use.

We could feed:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, price-from-cex)
or, in line with the latest proposal from cn-vote group:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, moving-average-price-from-cex)
Thoughts?

We have already think about these ;)

1. Multiple reliable gateways maybe is a good way, there will be one market, but the interest will be too low and disputed for the gateway,they didn't have the motivation.

but i have an idea, we can design a primary market, the secondary market is the gateway market.
The order of the secondary market will map to the primary market.
Example:



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max(price-from-inner-markets, price-from-cex)
max(price-from-inner-markets, moving-average-price-from-cex)

The price-from-inner-markets can't be used as the feed price alone for the controlling risk,we have revised it in some way.
Give the price-from-inner-markets a suitable weight in the pirce feed,and make a suitable rule to control these. you can check here:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28418.0
« Last Edit: October 20, 2019, 01:28:15 pm by binggo »

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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 09:25:34 pm »
要不设个现金流证明,没有个千八百万的万现金流禁止入内?实行起来也很简单,只要终身会员才能抵押,开终身会员需要花费500万个bts,开通后返还400万个bts,这样不就大家都happy了,自己给自己抬轿子岂不爽哉。

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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2019, 03:39:04 am »
公会的喂价改已经在推动了。我认为下一步就是把抵押线和爆仓线两线分开,这个非常重要,内盘这样的爆仓制度太不合理了,真的需要一个缓冲。

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Re: 喂价改革讨论
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2019, 09:59:24 am »
        喂价改革仅仅是手段,目的是推动BTS 价格上涨,而供需才是决定价格的根本因素。如何减少市场上流动的BTS,这才是重点。最低喂价,实际上是锁住了部分抵押仓,不冲击市场,但是如果最低喂价仅仅是0.22,不再上升,那么BTS的价格很难进一步上行。只有最低喂价不断上升,才可以锁住更多BTS,减少市场上流动的BTS,从而推动BTS价格不断上涨。