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后续的BTSX类DAC的发布按BTSX当时持有情况分配。原文里有解释,抵押的算BTSX(实际上新白皮书里称之为XTS)持有者的,而不是比特资产持有者的。


有些细节没看懂。
3.15新发布的BTS X 是按找3.15当前BTS X快照分配,还是按找2.28快照分配?

2/28。

实际上这个帖子是宣告了228是唯一一次PTS/AGS持有者获得BitSharesX系列(即3I的去中心化交易所和银行)DAC配送的机会。后续的该类型的DAC将只按照BitSharesX的最新持有情况分配,而与PTS/AGS无关。当然3I的其他DAC,例如后文提到的BitSharesDNS之类,还是分给PTS/AGS的,包括第三方开发的也没变。
你也没说清楚啊,后续发布的是按2/28分配还是按BTS最新持有情况分配?
如果按最新BTS持有情况分配,其中抵押的BTS怎么算呢?

大虾补天,对你这个解释我有疑义

首先我们要搞清楚一个概念:
PTS是BTS的原始股
AGS是BTS的天使股
BTS X是3I公司开发的其中一个DAC
后续还会开发很多类似的DACs,比如博彩的或者假设什么女孩裸身视频的、12306买火车票的等等
这些DAC应该对于3I公司的项目来说都是平行的,都是PTS+AGS这个母亲生下来的儿子,所以后续DACs们的股份分配应该还是要按照PTS+AGS在当时的状态进行
而不是按照当时BTS X这个DAC当中BTS的持有状态进行分配,你这样搞的话,就是乱伦了,谢谢
若是真的以后类似DAC都按照BTS X中BTS的持有状态来分配,PTS+AGS就没有任何再存在的必要了,并且那样的话,就相当于BTS X一统天下了

请再次复查和明确

我的理解是补天翻译说的只以228快照为准的分配是指Bts X里除了第一个块链之后的块链,不是3I公司的其他Dac产品。
这里指的是bts X后续多块链权益的分配。228版本不是个功能完整的完美版本,现在情况就是就算228版本完全推倒重来,也会以228快照为准,不会再次快照。
这样情况反而清晰了:3I对228版本给予了更多的承诺,希望大家更有信心也更严肃地对待,这样有利于228版本测试时候市场严肃充分运转,达到锚定bta的目的,这样的测试运营更有可能直接成功。
相当有想法的策略,对双方来说都是有利的,双赢~

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是的
若是指BTS X中N个不同的初始块链都会按照2.28的快照来分配,就说得通了
我也是怀疑他上面的是笔误,所以想让他再确认一下
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后续的BTSX类DAC的发布按BTSX当时持有情况分配。原文里有解释,抵押的算BTSX(实际上新白皮书里称之为XTS)持有者的,而不是比特资产持有者的。


有些细节没看懂。
3.15新发布的BTS X 是按找3.15当前BTS X快照分配,还是按找2.28快照分配?

2/28。

实际上这个帖子是宣告了228是唯一一次PTS/AGS持有者获得BitSharesX系列(即3I的去中心化交易所和银行)DAC配送的机会。后续的该类型的DAC将只按照BitSharesX的最新持有情况分配,而与PTS/AGS无关。当然3I的其他DAC,例如后文提到的BitSharesDNS之类,还是分给PTS/AGS的,包括第三方开发的也没变。
你也没说清楚啊,后续发布的是按2/28分配还是按BTS最新持有情况分配?
如果按最新BTS持有情况分配,其中抵押的BTS怎么算呢?

大虾补天,对你这个解释我有疑义

首先我们要搞清楚一个概念:
PTS是BTS的原始股
AGS是BTS的天使股
BTS X是3I公司开发的其中一个DAC
后续还会开发很多类似的DACs,比如博彩的或者假设什么女孩裸身视频的、12306买火车票的等等
这些DAC应该对于3I公司的项目来说都是平行的,都是PTS+AGS这个母亲生下来的儿子,所以后续DACs们的股份分配应该还是要按照PTS+AGS在当时的状态进行
而不是按照当时BTS X这个DAC当中BTS的持有状态进行分配,你这样搞的话,就是乱伦了,谢谢
若是真的以后类似DAC都按照BTS X中BTS的持有状态来分配,PTS+AGS就没有任何再存在的必要了,并且那样的话,就相当于BTS X一统天下了

请再次复查和明确

我的理解是补天翻译说的只以228快照为准的分配是指Bts X里除了第一个块链之后的块链,不是3I公司的其他Dac产品。
这里指的是bts X后续多块链权益的分配。228版本不是个功能完整的完美版本,现在情况就是就算228版本完全推倒重来,也会以228快照为准,不会再次快照。
这样情况反而清晰了:3I对228版本给予了更多的承诺,希望大家更有信心也更严肃地对待,这样有利于228版本测试时候市场严肃充分运转,达到锚定bta的目的,这样的测试运营更有可能直接成功。
相当有想法的策略,对双方来说都是有利的,双赢~

来自我的 HUAWEI P6-T00 上的 Tapatalk

是的
若是指BTS X中N个不同的初始块链都会按照2.28的快照来分配,就说得通了
我也是怀疑他上面的是笔误,所以想让他再确认一下

我觉得可能是你有点误解了
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熊,注意我说的是"BitSharesX系列(即3I的去中心化交易所和银行)DAC",就是比特资产锚定实物资产类的DAC。其他的比如博彩DAC都不在此列。
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熊,注意我说的是"BitSharesX系列(即3I的去中心化交易所和银行)DAC",就是比特资产锚定实物资产类的DAC。其他的比如博彩DAC都不在此列。

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2. 即使2/28的测试链因bug作废,也不再会按新的PTS/AGS持有状态进行分配,而是修复问题后使用2/28分配状态重新上线。这意味着2/28将是仅有的一次PTS/AGS获得BTSX权益的机会。



这一点是这样吗?2月14日时我私信问过BM,他这么说的。

我的问题:

provided on feb.28, 1.5 million pts have been mined, then pts :bts = 150:200, i have 150 pts and get 200 bts. but then the test launch is failed. and finally the official launch date is 5.1 , at that time pts:bts = 1:1, then how many bts do i have , 200 or 150 ?

他的回答:

If we reset and take a new snapshot, then you will have 150 rather than 200.... so if it works sooner then you make more.

中文翻译过来就是说,如果在228测试时,总共有150万PTS被挖出,那么如果我持有150个PTS, 将可以兑换200个BTS。但是如果测试失败了,而最终正式链启动时,有200万个PTS被挖出,那我的150个PTS就只能兑换到150个BTS了。


所以呀,大家对这些东西的理解不一致,很需要有个官方的声音用中文给大家解释解释。

I recognize that there has been some inconsistency in our explanations to date regarding multiple snapshots.   We decided to error on the side of clarity because the ambiguity of when snapshots might occur would confuse the market and discourage participation.   So for everyone interested in the BitShares X product line there is now one simple choice:  invest in AGS or PTS now or wait until the test network is solid and invest in BitShares XT.   In the time between 2/28 and a BitShares XT proves itself it will be very risky to buy in with new money.   
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那么,官方消息就是,以后一切的BTS链,都会按照2月28的分配情况。 但是除BTS以外的其他DAC,还是会按照AGS,PTS 至少10%的比例赠送给持有者。

另外,感谢LIB的翻译哦。
We have thought long and hard about the implications of this roadmap on the demand for BitShares XT with the potential to be competing with what may be perceived as upgrades
这句话,按我的理解,他们本来是纠结以后推出BTS XT是算做新产品链呢,还是作为以前链的升级版。 最后干脆定下来2月28日时的分配对以后所有新链都有效,所以这个纠结就没必要了。
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终于搞清楚了

看来大虾补天没说错,我看的不够仔细,中了机关 :'( :'( :'(
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 这次被3I玩死了,原来DAN说的其它几条Bitshare链要等一年以后的事了。看下面红字。看来中国的土豪被忽悠进去的也很多,今天PTs都捐上5500了。

Adam,
    We wanted to mitigate the confusion so it will be very simple.  BitShares XT will be a single chain and everyone interested in that chain is no longer concerned with AGS or PTS after the 28th.   

    We are unlikely to produce these other variants (interest, variable interest, consensus) in 2014 because it would confuse the market which will require time to learn about the mechanics of BitShares X in the simplified form.   When we do decide to launch an enhanced version of BitShares X with some of these other features it will honor BitShares XT rather than PTS and AGS under the grandfather clause in the original PTS social consensus.   This is designed to protect everyones investment in BitShares X and eliminate the potential that our future upgrades will harm their initial investment.

    So if it were up to us there would only be a single chain that users need to worry about for the next year. 

    We will be preparing information on some of our other DACs in the weeks ahead.  But for now we are focused on BitShares XT and executing on this simple version before rushing to add features and additional compleixity.

终于搞清楚了

看来大虾补天没说错,我看的不够仔细,中了机关 :'( :'( :'(
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 这次被3I玩死了,原来DAN说的其它几条Bitshare链要等一年以后的事了。看下面红字。看来中国的土豪被忽悠进去的也很多,今天PTs都捐上5500了。

一年后,谁知道会是怎么回事,一年前比特币才20来块钱


Adam,
    We wanted to mitigate the confusion so it will be very simple.  BitShares XT will be a single chain and everyone interested in that chain is no longer concerned with AGS or PTS after the 28th.   

    We are unlikely to produce these other variants (interest, variable interest, consensus) in 2014 because it would confuse the market which will require time to learn about the mechanics of BitShares X in the simplified form.   When we do decide to launch an enhanced version of BitShares X with some of these other features it will honor BitShares XT rather than PTS and AGS under the grandfather clause in the original PTS social consensus.   This is designed to protect everyones investment in BitShares X and eliminate the potential that our future upgrades will harm their initial investment.

    So if it were up to us there would only be a single chain that users need to worry about for the next year. 

    We will be preparing information on some of our other DACs in the weeks ahead.  But for now we are focused on BitShares XT and executing on this simple version before rushing to add features and additional compleixity.

终于搞清楚了

看来大虾补天没说错,我看的不够仔细,中了机关 :'( :'( :'(
微博:星在飘我在找|BTS X 受托人delegate ID:baidu
中国教育书店合作将20%收入捐献给贫困山区学生。
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2. 即使2/28的测试链因bug作废,也不再会按新的PTS/AGS持有状态进行分配,而是修复问题后使用2/28分配状态重新上线。这意味着2/28将是仅有的一次PTS/AGS获得BTSX权益的机会。



这一点是这样吗?2月14日时我私信问过BM,他这么说的。

我的问题:

provided on feb.28, 1.5 million pts have been mined, then pts :bts = 150:200, i have 150 pts and get 200 bts. but then the test launch is failed. and finally the official launch date is 5.1 , at that time pts:bts = 1:1, then how many bts do i have , 200 or 150 ?

他的回答:

If we reset and take a new snapshot, then you will have 150 rather than 200.... so if it works sooner then you make more.

中文翻译过来就是说,如果在228测试时,总共有150万PTS被挖出,那么如果我持有150个PTS, 将可以兑换200个BTS。但是如果测试失败了,而最终正式链启动时,有200万个PTS被挖出,那我的150个PTS就只能兑换到150个BTS了。


所以呀,大家对这些东西的理解不一致,很需要有个官方的声音用中文给大家解释解释。
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"If we reset and take a new snapshot"

重点在 “ AND take a new snapshot ”
不一定会拍快照。。。
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