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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
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Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

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给公会一个建议哦,这两天让公会成员疯狂贴线上杠杆迅速扩充票权,反正锁着喂价没有什么风险,这样成为内盘一霸指日可待哦。

那这个链就叫cn-vote chain 吧,反正就是没有可信第三方多人审计的一颗大雷代码库,也算是cn-vote独立出来成单链自己审计自己。

谈信用,cn-vote似乎也没多少信用吧

很期待一个纯国产bts是个什么样子呢

话说,分叉有没有糖果分?比较关心这个,是不是要分等份的CNVOTE给我们?

另外,

第一: 公会所谓的这种团结,规则一类的说辞怕是说出来自己都不信,强行用未经社区投票激活的BAIP-THReshold做投票通过标准,并暗箱操作换票的时候哪个时候怎么闭口不谈团结规则一类的东西?是不是没有触犯到你们利益就可以装聋作哑不吭气?绕过WPS然后通过自己操控的理事会来肆意花费社区资金的时候你们又怎么不吭气了呢?理事会账户外流资金那么多,最终进了谁的腰包呢?!

第二: 公开贿选,先谈目前三位给公会上贡的见证人,这么赤裸裸的贿选行为居然被你们解释的头头是道,这个时候的什么团结,底线,规则一类的都抛之脑后了吧?这是他娘的DPOS,见证人一票多投,不是什么POW, 一份哈希只能代表一份权力,一票多投的公开贿选代表着什么?就是一群老鼠窝,再谈与BEOS的PY交易互相支持见证人与理事,这也是贿选的形式呢?这个时候的底线与操守去哪了呢?

第三: 抵押票权: 在黑天鹅保护与锁定喂价之下摄取大量的虚假票权的时候怎么不谈什么所谓的公平,团结与信用呢?就算是按照锁定喂价计算,所谓的公会实际的票权能有几何,自己心里没点数吗?!锁喂价坑害抵押的最终服务的对象锚定资产持有者的时候,怎么不谈团结与信用呢?就因为你们掌握了大量虚假票权与话语权?当随着价格上涨,指数膨胀的抵押票权出现后,怕是所有见证人与只持有bts的持有者想哭都哭不出来,这个时候这个由赌徒组成的群体靠着决定性的抵押投票权,可以毫无底线的肆意妄为,即使现在,这群赖账群体不也是高喊锁喂价无限正义吗?!

公会一个持仓8,9百万的账户,就算是按照锁定喂价来折算,实际算出来的估值怕是连一半都不到,何况是按照实际价格估值,这个时候怎么不吭气作声了呢?哦,这个时候你们谈团结,谈规则,谈共识,想想也比较滑稽。

虽然我对同锁仓获得倍数票权有异议,但是抵押票权与挂单票权必须去除,不然bts将来必然被抵押票权拖死,像这种利用抵押票权的优势尤其是锁定喂价下去威胁见证人体系早已经不是第一次,也不会是最后一次,与一群赌徒共舞谋利,谈团结,谈规则,谈程序正义,谈未来,那是痴心妄想,败亡是定局!

还谈程序正义,bts的程序正义早就被你们践踏烂了,戳到某些人屁股了,这个时候跳出来装卫道士了!


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    一个抵押杠杆者不断从银行抵押借贷资金上杠杆,当抵押品价格一旦下跌,这些抵押者第一时间想到的不是马上还款来缓解银行及自己的债务危机,而是想办法如何让这个借贷系统瘫痪,因为这样才能符合他们最大的利益,而且一旦抵押者拥有了操控借贷系统的能力,这种想法会变得无比强烈并会立即付诸行动。

    有些BTS元老莫要天天傻乎乎的讲抵押者是最关心BTS发展的,这种歪理怕是连你们自己也不信,什么?!连你自己都信了,真是可悲!一个赌客还会在于赌场的死活?赢得时候开开心心,输得时候怕不是要把赌场给掀了!




我大概算了算见证人,新增备选三个,正在出块三个,公会多签理事一个,票仓代理四个,关系密切2个,13个利益关系的见证人体系,简直豪华阵容,厉害厉害!
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公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人
众所周知,在BTS4.0版本升级中,个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下,私自篡改投票系统,造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为,这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正,BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此,公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序,该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态,以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更,不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后,该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21:55分自动生效。

请所有见证人(包括非活跃见证人)在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始,我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票,并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足,公会将启用公会备用见证人,将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁,以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义,我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信:xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址:https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core



Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses
As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020(Beijing time).

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
 Xiaoyuan  409

Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

1) You said "individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact"

what an excuse when an irresponsible admin upgrades his own node without his own knowledge about what he's writing there, I wouldn't trust or vote such an irresponsible admins.

2) You said "We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain"

The foundation wasn't there.

3) You said "BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world"

BTS now is having more credibility because corruption and loopholes in voting system are patched.

4) You said "CN vote developed a 4.0 patch"

 I doubt your patch would work, if by any chance it works and your code was applied, I believe you wouldn't be able to handle the core development because everybody is aware of your poor technical skills, you might be good investors; I doubt because you couldn't bring a single development to the blockchain, non of you is well matured technical nor a businessman.

5) You said "This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting"

lets see how many BP admins are going to apply the patch with the same exact mistake of not having the knowledge of what they're doing.

6) You said "We call on all witnesses to install the patch"

I say I call all witnesses not to install this patch, we're done with corruption of voting power system and we don't wanna go back, you go back alone. :)

7) You said "We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades."

I say you could not benefit the system by any mean ever, it's obvious, since your first day until now you were silent about issues of voting and worker system and we haven't seen your development workers nor technicals anywhere.

Thanks for reading and sorry for my honesty.

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1) You said "individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact"

what an excuse when an irresponsible admin upgrades his own node without his own knowledge about what he's writing there, I wouldn't trust or vote such an irresponsible admins.

Abit have been trusted by witnesses who would never asume he would be able to do something like that myself included.
Another person to blame is the core prelude manager Digital Lucifer who had knowledge about it before witnesses had patched their nodes but kept silent about it as he "loved" the trojan horse in the patch

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2) You said "We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain"

The foundation wasn't there.

He means the basics of bitshares (foundation) which i completly agree with.
The foundation itsself which was representing bitshares for a longer time would not agree on something like that too when reading old comments of some of their members.

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3) You said "BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world"

BTS now is having more credibility because corruption and loopholes in voting system are patched.

That is your poor opinion which i and many other foreigners told you in the past is very poor.You are basicly indoctrinated by DL.

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4) You said "CN vote developed a 4.0 patch"

 I doubt your patch would work, if by any chance it works and your code was applied, I believe you wouldn't be able to handle the core development because everybody is aware of your poor technical skills, you might be good investors; I doubt because you couldn't bring a single development to the blockchain, non of you is well matured technical nor a businessman.
Ha  ha like i would hear Digital Lucifer talking on his own.Seems his conditioning is taking fruits.
Isn't it always him claiming chinese could do no development at all ?With how many chinese programer did you worked in the past?
You must be very limited like DL when making such statements.


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5) You said "This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting"

lets see how many BP admins are going to apply the patch with the same exact mistake of not having the knowledge of what they're doing.
Witness B-DEX confirming to use patch to restore protocol.

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6) You said "We call on all witnesses to install the patch"

I say I call all witnesses not to install this patch, we're done with corruption of voting power system and we don't wanna go back, you go back alone. :)

Why don't you start your fork finally and let us see how many people are going to follow such a person like you are.I bet it would bring me a nice smile into my  face and your ego might get destroyed.

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7) You said "We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades."

I say you could not benefit the system by any mean ever, it's obvious, since your first day until now you were silent about issues of voting and worker system and we haven't seen your development workers nor technicals anywhere.

Thanks for reading and sorry for my honesty.

Changing from one issue to another is no solution.Also personly i see the issue accuring with the protocol break longterm way bigger than to find consensus with cn-vote.

Like DL always says
   
All power to Dev's as they are the creators of bitshares who should have full control and not stupid chinese or foreign investors who put their money where their mouth is.    /ironie off

But you can proof us what is more important with your fork.
Let's see where the community will stick.
You got already DL supporting your fork.
Love to see how many are going to follow you guys.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 06:09:17 am by Thul3 »

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abit偷改投票系统,是应该得到处罚的,并且以后要避免类似情况发生。
按理来说:工会打补丁屏蔽私自变更部分, 操作上是没有问题,合理合法。

但是有时候太过去中心化不见得是一件好事,靠一群韭菜或自私自利或无能力的人来治理..只能把BTS玩死。 必须要有有能力 有担当的决策团队才行。

先说说工会那几个核心人士,感觉有的认知都有问题,还喂价要越锁越高?你凑什么闹热。老老实实监督就行,韭菜也要少缴智商税,自己要有主见,别被忽悠,骗了。亏也要凭自己的实力去亏。
再说abit 能不能有一点担当?偷偷改了 就不吱声了?

个人认为修改后的投票系统比原来的更加合理, 有疑问的是高倍数票权,(最高32倍?) 和 一票多投(见证人)。要等时间来检验.

工会是有存在的必要的  但是不是让你手中的票来决策 来治理,更多的是让你来监督。

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gdex-witness将不会安装公会的patch.

总体来讲,我们认为abit做的几项投票系统的更改对BTS的影响是正面的,而且是通过投票的途径很难达成的,为BTS的未来考虑,与其为了政治正确回归旧世界,不如顺势开拓新世界。

以往的实践也充分证明,抵押的BTS对应的票权在bitAssets相关的投票中保持中立是极难的,这些票权只会以抵押债仓的利益最大化为出发点,很难期望他们为系统的整体优化做出哪怕一点点牺牲。从BTS的整体和未来考虑,取消抵押BTS的票权不坏。

gdex-witness will not install the cn-vote's patch.

generally speaking, what abit has changed on voting system give positive impact on BTS, and it's almost impossible to get that impact through voting, considering to get a better future of BTS, it's better to accept the current version than returning to the version without the updated voting system.

what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power. 

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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

Who was not willing to execute community will as committee ?
CN-Vote or you and Abit ?

Who banned foreigners with diffrent opinion from chats like wechat.
CN-Vote or you and Abit ?

Who broke the OMO fund consensus to catch his own margin ?

Who implemented BSIP42 on bitusd with the given promise to not touch it ?


You prefer a power switch from CN-Vote who doesn't support you much to BEOS which you do good inside deals ?
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 08:14:56 am by Thul3 »

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巨蟹这件事还是看得透彻的。但是肯定还是得挨骂..      按照工会的补丁继续折腾..牛市都过了..... 另外工会哪几个所谓核心人士,请问打补丁这个事 有跟工会成员讨论/投票吗?   几亿票就是你们几个人的就对了!!! :) :)        不支持打补丁的见证人倒是也可以进来说一声,方便大家投票。

韭菜的心声 谁能让价格涨  我们就支持谁...................
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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

hehe, interesting, now I don't care whether cn-vote agree or disagree with my ideas, I just care whether this patch will lead BTS to a better future.

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what happened has also proven, the voting power from collateral is always biased on bitAssets relevant voting, they always focus on maximizing the benefits of the debt positions owners, it's always impossible to let them to do a little compromise for the optimization of the whole system, it's not bad to cancel these voting power.

You are a hyprocate.

The threshold for price feed was Abit's idea which was supported by you and Jademont.
CN-Votes disagrees with many of your ideas which does the majority/nearly all of foreigners too.


It's basicly you trying everytime to enforce your point of view with the help of Abit where voters opinion are not being considerated at all.
Great example the MM contests

hehe, interesting, now I don't care whether cn-vote agree or disagree with my ideas, I just care whether this patch will lead BTS to a better future.

Bitcrab you are always smart enough trying to switch VP to entities which favorise your actions.

Who managed to get the inside deals with BEOS on committee and witness ?Was it you?
Which chinese is in big favour of BEOS ?Jademont and you ?

Who coworked with you trying to centralize bitshares like kicking out other gateways or registering bitshares in thailand?Digital Lucifer ?

What a coincidence.......


Who has the biggest track on corruption and lack of ethics ?

The people who claim to be the solution ?
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ioex updated.
You wanna loose your BitShares witness position ?
« Last Edit: August 11, 2020, 12:38:49 pm by bench »
Be part of the change and vote for the bitshares-vision proxy!

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I do not like changes against consensus but consensus was broken / corrupted so I think Abit actually did what needed to be done.

I don't like the 'stake to increase vote' really but overall the changes are much healthier than the old system.

I guess if cn-vote want to apply a patch and some witnesses accept it probably it will end up being a fork? Nobody sane and not indebted thinks collateral voting is a good idea and has caused anything other than corruption so maybe the two groups are better going their own way.

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Bitcrab you are always smart enough trying to switch VP to entities which favorise your actions.

Who managed to get the inside deals with BEOS on committee and witness ?Was it you?
Which chinese is in big favour of BEOS ?Jademont and you ?

Who coworked with you trying to centralize bitshares like kicking out other gateways or registering bitshares in thailand?Digital Lucifer ?

What a coincidence.......

Who has the biggest track on corruption and lack of ethics ?

The people who claim to be the solution ?

I have very few contacts with BEOS, maybe have talked some words with them, how possible I have inside deals with them?

when have I kicked off other gateways?

you are speaking at random.


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作为一个抵押者,虽然去除抵押票权对我而言没有什么好处,但是我宁愿看到一群真正的bts持有者争来斗去,也不愿意看到平地杠杆出的近3倍的抵押票权。

虽然这帮去除抵押票权后的大代理也不是多靠谱,但是怎么说也比屁股决定脑袋靠谱...太多屁股决定脑袋的事情了...唉...