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Some existing foreigner witnesses are going to support CN-Vote patch.

They will talk with CN-Vote directly

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

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Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.

When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.

Giving that they had only 3 days without preparation and funding it is for me personly acceptable like for other foreign witnesses i'm in contact with.

There are no some existing foreigner witnesses:

only four:

zapata42-witness
roelandp
bhuz
sahkan-bitshares


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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌,我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。
abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏dpos共识。这个论断是公平的吧

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

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abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法?我关心的是程序正义,社区声誉,共识尊严,严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌,我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。
abit欺骗社区,强取豪夺,破坏dpos共识。这个论断是公平的吧

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别,那是你的共识,你的公平

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It seems only have 15 actived witness,en,seems good :)


zapata42-witness
btspp-witness
witness.hiblockchain
delegate.freedom
witness.yao
liondani
bangzi
delegate-zhaomu
bhuz
terradacs-bp
roelandp
ioex
clone
gbac-ety001
earth-moon

It seems CN-VOTE win?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 11:39:14 am by binggo »

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Some existing foreigner witnesses are going to support CN-Vote patch.

They will talk with CN-Vote directly

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

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Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.

When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.

Giving that they had only 3 days without preparation and funding it is for me personly acceptable like for other foreign witnesses i'm in contact with.

There are no some existing foreigner witnesses:

only four:

zapata42-witness
roelandp
bhuz
sahkan-bitshares

There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.


P.S the claim from Abit and DL on telegram that CN-Vote is going to create a fork with its own new coin and leave bitshares is FUD.

« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 12:04:58 pm by Thul3 »

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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report

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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report


BEOS did clearly inside deals nobody can deny.Or do you belive 2 witnesses from BEOS receive at the same time support when
two chinese reiceives from beos ?

4 new committee members in single hour.
BEOS supporting cn-vote members and cn-vote supporting BEOS members.

I did some digging about that voting and you can basicly say majority of cn-vote members don't know why they support liondani and evangelist who haven't been active a single time in 1 1/2 years.

Who did the inside deals i can only guess from past experience of proposals i received which i always rejected.
What is very clear is that BEOS has a very good relationship with Jademont and DL

DL is now the new director of BEOS.


If you blame CN-Vote for supporting the shitty workers or blocking then i need to tell you without the help of BEOS they would not be able to do so.
Restoring bitcny price feed was rejected from BEOS with the argumentation people can get hurt (bitcrab didn't wanted it at that time)
Today they attack cn-vote for blocking to restore pegg and claim to instantly restore pegg.
Now they have no more issue of people getting hurt when average CR got very lower ?


I know CN-Vote and i know BEOS.

BEOS is far worse than CN-Vote and together with Abit and DL it is a total mess.
Centralization and dictorship pure.


Most people agree on that.

It's easier to find consent with cn-vote than being under BEOS.


Also the attack of Abit and DL fudding that CN-Vote is forking and should leave bitshares is something i can't accept at all.
Today its cn-vote because you don't like their voting and tomorrow its me because they don't like my voice.

Abit already muted all critical foreigners using his bot which he refuses to disable even when asked from all other admins.

Another question is who is causing the big corruption on bitshares?
Is it cn-vote ?IMO and many others its not cn-vote but Abit/Bitcrab/Jademont and BEOS.
Each other supporting themself makes such a corruption we have in committee first possible.
I'm 4 years now in bitshares and never saw such a big corruption we got today.And its mainly caused by these people and that won't change just because you switch vp from cn-vote to beos which is already supporting that corruption.

Abit and Bitcrab are trying to switch vp because they lost their influence in cn-vote who got tired of their permanent ignorance.

I talked a lot with CN-Vote and they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .
Tell me who opened a BAIP instead of normal worker ?
Who refuses to execute community will?
Who changes rules for its own favour like gdex ?


So claiming that the new voting system is needed to change when the most corrupt people stay is just a simple lie.
Changing power from bad voters to corruption supporters is no solution at all.

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The patch is not a straight reversal of the voting system, it is something else and it looks less stringent to me than what abit did.

Diffrences are that staking will be reduced to x1 only.So each BTS will only hold 1 BTS VP.
Collateral voting will be disabled not after 60 days but 600 days.
When asked for the reason CN Vote explained that due to the short time and lack of funding to create a patch they reverse the added voting system by simply mainly changing parameters and not much code in fear to not destroy the compatibility of the patch as a full reverse would take more coding and time.
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Full diff here
https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core/compare/349e0061300d3e65a3e3040276c321b76069e44f...master


Where is the description of the updates of the new patch?
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32560.0

Why is there no description of the new patch?

What should the community agree with?

Why was there so little time for this decision?

Additional information required !!!


1. How long will it take to restore the network if there is a vulnerability in the New patch?

2. Who will oversee the transition to the new patch?

3.How will the system function after the upgrade?

4.Are there any additional features planned?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 01:12:31 pm by EuropaSH »
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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so,this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore,the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report


BEOS did clearly inside deals nobody can deny.Or do you belive 2 witnesses from BEOS receive at the same time support when
two chinese reiceives from beos ?

4 new committee members in single hour.
BEOS supporting cn-vote members and cn-vote supporting BEOS members.

I did some digging about that voting and you can basicly say majority of cn-vote members don't know why they support liondani and evangelist who haven't been active a single time in 1 1/2 years.

Who did the inside deals i can only guess from past experience of proposals i received which i always rejected.
What is very clear is that BEOS has a very good relationship with Jademont and DL

DL is now the new director of BEOS.


If you blame CN-Vote for supporting the shitty workers or blocking then i need to tell you without the help of BEOS they would not be able to do so.
Restoring bitcny price feed was rejected from BEOS with the argumentation people can get hurt (bitcrab didn't wanted it at that time)
Today they attack cn-vote for blocking to restore pegg and claim to instantly restore pegg.
Now they have no more issue of people getting hurt when average CR got very lower ?


I know CN-Vote and i know BEOS.

BEOS is far worse than CN-Vote and together with Abit and DL it is a total mess.
Centralization and dictorship pure.


Most people agree on that.

It's easier to find consent with cn-vote than being under BEOS.


Also the attack of Abit and DL fudding that CN-Vote is forking and should leave bitshares is something i can't accept at all.
Today its cn-vote because you don't like their voting and tomorrow its me because they don't like my voice.

Abit already muted all critical foreigners using his bot which he refuses to disable even when asked from all other admins.

Another question is who is causing the big corruption on bitshares?
Is it cn-vote ?IMO and many others its not cn-vote but Abit/Bitcrab/Jademont and BEOS.
Each other supporting themself makes such a corruption we have in committee first possible.
I'm 4 years now in bitshares and never saw such a big corruption we got today.And its mainly caused by these people and that won't change just because you switch vp from cn-vote to beos which is already supporting that corruption.

Abit and Bitcrab are trying to switch vp because they lost their influence in cn-vote who got tired of their permanent ignorance.

I talked a lot with CN-Vote and they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .
Tell me who opened a BAIP instead of normal worker ?
Who refuses to execute community will?
Who changes rules for its own favour like gdex ?


So claiming that the new voting system is needed to change when the most corrupt people stay is just a simple lie.
Changing power from bad voters to corruption supporters is no solution at all.


DON'T SAY YOU KNOW CN-VOTE AND KNOW WHAT CN-VOTE IS AGAIN, even BEOS, I'm a chinese,i'm one member of CN-VOTE before, i'm clearly know what the CN-VOTE is, and what CN-VOTE did, i know most of them is who, you say you know more about CN-VOTE,  that puts me to shame.

All the things you said i know more clearly than you, and you should know why, i even didn't need to do any research.

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they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .

What they expressesd is nothing, if they really feel bad, then what they shoud do? and why abit/bitcrab should listen to their opinions?

Two deveils, i chose the one who really hold the bts, not the debtor.
I would rather see BTS died in the hand of real bts holders not want to see BTS died in the hand of a group of debtor.
You have chosen your position, i chose mine.

Otherwise, as a normal trader, i choose anyone which i can get profit, why i should care about the future of BTS?

Otherwise, as a normal trader from 2017, BTS needs to change, not only the voting system but also the witness system, who wants to do these changes, i support who, about bitasset, i just want to say no one in the community of BTS can make it better,  cognitive problems.

« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 01:42:39 pm by binggo »

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I didn't choosed i follow protocol/rules even i disagree that BEOS/DL is the smaller evil.


I can't demand from others to act according to protocol and consensus and support at the same time a clear cheat caused by one of the main cheater on bitshares just because it may fit me.

Let's do it the right way.


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delegate-zhaomu 会运行一个打了cn-vote补丁的见证人节点,以保证网络稳定为优先。

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巨蟹这件事还是看得透彻的。但是肯定还是得挨骂..      按照工会的补丁继续折腾..牛市都过了..... 另外工会哪几个所谓核心人士,请问打补丁这个事 有跟工会成员讨论/投票吗?   几亿票就是你们几个人的就对了!!! :) :)        不支持打补丁的见证人倒是也可以进来说一声,方便大家投票。

韭菜的心声 谁能让价格涨  我们就支持谁...................
公会的任何决定都是经过投票的,请了解清楚再来喷!