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[POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« on: August 14, 2020, 09:30:09 am »
Below polls are created to set force settlement parameters for bitCNY, bitUSD and bitEUR:

For bitCNY:

1.14.267   Poll-BAIP9-Set bitCNY FSFP to 1% and FSO to 1%

1.14.268   Poll-BAIP9-Set bitCNY FSFP to 1% with FSO unchanged

1.14.269   Poll-BAIP9-Keep bitCNY FSFP and FSO unchanged


For bitUSD:

1.14.270   Poll-BAIP9-Set bitUSD FSFP to 1%

1.14.271   Poll-BAIP9-Keep bitUSD FSFP unchanged


For bitEUR:

1.14.272   Poll-BAIP9-Set bitEUR FSFP to 1%

1.14.273   Poll-BAIP9-Keep bitEUR FSFP unchanged

Here FSFP stand for Force Settlement Fee Percentage which is defined in BSIP87 and FSO stand for Force Settlement Offset.

According to the BAIP rules, for each bitAsset, the FOR proposal will be considered approved while meeting below 3 criterias:

FOR worker get more voting power than AGAINST worker.
FOR worker get more voting power than BAIP-Threshold Worker.
Both No.1 & 2 above last for three consecutive days.

Here the "Keep parameters unchanged" proposals are the AGAINST proposal, the proposal to set the parameters are FOR proposal, for bitCNY there are 2 FOR proposals and if both are approved the one that get higher voting power will be executed.

Please vote according to your opinion.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 11:05:15 am by bitcrab »

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2020, 04:38:28 am »
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Poll-BAIP9-Set bitCNY FSFP to 1% and FSO to 1%



Not better FSO 0% and FSFP 2% ?

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2020, 06:25:23 am »
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Poll-BAIP9-Set bitCNY FSFP to 1% and FSO to 1%

Not better FSO 0% and FSFP 2% ?

the higher the fee, the more pain to the users, let's begin with a lower one.

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2020, 09:34:33 am »

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 08:22:41 am »


proposal has been created to set the parameters, committee members, could you please approve it?

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 09:40:32 am »
Simply vote up the committee members who support the changes. That's how voting works.
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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 01:33:01 pm »
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Here the "Keep parameters unchanged" proposals are the AGAINST proposal, the proposal to set the parameters are FOR proposal, for bitCNY there are 2 FOR proposals and if both are approved the one that get higher voting power will be executed.


I want to know which “consensus” let you think they can passed or not passed?the “consensus” of your mind and explanation?

I want to know why we need a MCR,why did the MCR=1.5, not 1.3 or 1.2?

I want to know why the debtor should be force settlement by the holder of bitasset when their collateral ratio is higher than MCR?if the debtor can be force settlement at any CR>MCR,so why we need a MCR?

I want to know if you want keep the right of bitasset holder, why you want to charge their fees? or just want to charge the fees? then let the debtor and bitasset holder to kill each other?

I want to know why bitasset have different FSO and FSFP,what you want to accomplish in these?how do you think these parameters is suitable?What kind of goal did you want?


我想知道: 哪一条“共识”让你可以认为这些提案通过与否?这个'共识"来源于何处?你的想法还是你的解释?

我想知道:为什么我们需要一个MCR?为什么MCR=1.5,而不是1.3或者1.2?

我想知道:为什么抵押者在他们抵押率大于MCR的时候可以被锚定资产持有者随意强清?如果抵押者可以在任何大于MCR的抵押率被强清,那我们为什么需要一个MCR?

我想知道:如果你想保护锚定资产持有者的权力,那你为什么要收取他们的费用?或者仅仅就是想收取费用而已?然后再让抵押者跟锚定资产持有者互相捅刀子?

我想知道:为什么锚定资产的参数不一,你想从中想得到什么样的反馈?你怎么认为这些参数是合适的?你想要得到什么样的效果或者解决什么样的问题?


现在在github上懒得连一个issue或者PR都懒得写了吗?



你们口口声声谈这个共识,那个共识的,我是搞不清楚,这个共识到底是个什么玩意,什么可为,什么不可为...  而所谓的这些共识都是建立在什么基础之上的,这些所谓的基础又是怎么来的,怎么定义的....连一个根本准则都没有,全靠各人装逼强行解释吗?真触碰到各个票仓利益了,就各个跳出来跳大神,天灵灵地灵灵扯这个共识那个共识,自己都能喝酒捞肉得时候,怎么不见人出来谈共识?!


这是我作为一个被架上来的临时理事的发言,如果我不是理事,你们怎么搞bitasset我是懒得再谈半个字。

所以,在一切都没有一个详细解释之前,在我为一个理事期间,什么也不批,爱谁批谁批。


谁脑残的设计一个多余的理事机制,见证人还不够你们票仓代理人耍的吗?!

« Last Edit: August 21, 2020, 02:05:58 pm by binggo »

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2020, 01:47:57 pm »
        可以理解成理事会等于人民代表大会,一票一投选出理事会成员,然后理事会决定一切。那么见证人也应该由理事会决定才是,而且理事会成员应该翻倍增加,少了容易被控制。

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Re: [POLL]BAIP9 : Set Force Settlement Fee Percent
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2020, 01:26:16 pm »
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Poll-BAIP9-Set bitCNY FSFP to 1% and FSO to 1%

Not better FSO 0% and FSFP 2% ?

the concept behind it is that:
1% FSO is the compensation for the one on whom FS is performed
1% FSFP is a discouraging fee and increases the income in the reserve pool

maybe it's not that bad