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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2020, 05:54:23 am »
Completely support the introduction of AMM tools and them being pushed through.

The other change removing voting from liquid BTS is a huge and fundamental change to the functioning of BTS and should not be introduced without consensus. The previous change with stake multiplier already gives an (excessive in my view) increase in voting strength to stakers.

The removal of voting for collateral was a special case as far as I'm concerned - it was giving disproportionate voting power to a group that had every reason to corrupt the system during bear markets.

Similarly voter decay eliminated impact from dead / inactive accounts.

So yeah I support introduction of the AMM measures (which would be a great and necessary addition) but stop changing the voting rules without consensus - also please be upfront and honest about what you are proposing.

You can't say 'the big one is AMM' and just ignore another massive fundamental change to how voting works - it's disingenuous and pointless, as you know that as soon as people start reading and digging a bit they will see and understand it.
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2020, 04:02:03 am »
The other change removing voting from liquid BTS is a huge and fundamental change to the functioning of BTS and should not be introduced without consensus. The previous change with stake multiplier already gives an (excessive in my view) increase in voting strength to stakers.

The removal of voting for collateral was a special case as far as I'm concerned - it was giving disproportionate voting power to a group that had every reason to corrupt the system during bear markets.
The new changes in 5.0 are necessary too. It's rolled out because the previous changes are insufficient for protecting the platform since corruption evolved.
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2020, 07:11:35 am »
The other change removing voting from liquid BTS is a huge and fundamental change to the functioning of BTS and should not be introduced without consensus. The previous change with stake multiplier already gives an (excessive in my view) increase in voting strength to stakers.

The removal of voting for collateral was a special case as far as I'm concerned - it was giving disproportionate voting power to a group that had every reason to corrupt the system during bear markets.
The new changes in 5.0 are necessary too. It's rolled out because the previous changes are insufficient for protecting the platform since corruption evolved.

Could you please point which corruption exectly ?
Because in my opinion it is about that cn-vote and alt increased their voting power which you didn't expected.

Also claiming it is because of corruption i guess there is no bigger corruption on bitshares than what you have done so many times in the past and even you openly admited in telegram groups you have no problem with it as long as it fits your point of view.

Who created the biggest lies on bitshares and got #1 fudder together with DL ?

Didin't you fudded that cn-vote would fork out all over bitshares when there was no intention to fork at all ?
Later when being asked by others you and DL changed your tactics blaming cn-vote ?

Did you and DL demanded others to spread fud that cn-vote tries a hostile takeover even their actions have majority of votes and your actions nearly none and informing cexes with this kind of BS story so they block cn-vote ?

The list goes on and on how much lies and fud you spread.

Now you guys even lie to witnesses that they won't have any liability if they chose your update to change completly the voting system without any community consent.


I recommend witnesses to check law for terms like habits,practice or custom (lat usus).
Bitshares practice was till today always to update bitshares based on DPOS consensus and nothing else.
Thats a year long practice and under law something like that is being considered a standard or unwritten term.

If they claim you won't be liable thats a blatant lie.
At least know what real consequences you can get as anybody holding bts would be eligible to open a case.
Ignorance does not protect one from punishment


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BitShares core recently gave some sneak-peak info about BitShares core 5.0 release, via the community Telegram. Rapid progression is occurring since the recent consensus fixes in BitShares 4.0 happened earlier in July.
Could you please point who exectly is bitshares core and by what consensus ?
Also who decides about the points added in the rapid progression ?Where are the discussions ?
Because your next innovation to add more taxation again seems to be somehow poor.





There are way better devs with real innovations and ethics waiting to get active which are being blocked for ages by the same caste who made majority of members already leave bitshares over the last years thanks to their poor inovation they enforced to everyone each time without consensus or breaking it.

The same people from
OMO fund till (excessive margin wall leading nearly to GS by breaking consensus from CR 3 to CR 1.86,buying own margin call to not lose 10% on MSSR)
BSIP42 (on BitUSD enforced without consensus and against clear community will even with promise to not touch bitUSD which leaded to GS,bitcny saved due to GS protection but still big part of community gone)
BSIP76 (promise to be temp which they didn't cared anymore till today)
BAIP scam instead of normal worker.    (Getting funds indirectly for GDEX by creating BAIP instead of normal worker to take funds from committee as they could get no funds from reserve pool)
Trojan (This is a major issue which i can't understand how some people can support it.For a DeFi its a disaster on reputation and trust.)
scam workers and exchanges (supporting knowingly workers for scam exchanges for benefit or approving scam exchanges for bounty)
Fork Fudders (notorious liars and fudders pushing cn-vote to fork out even cn-vote had no intention in doing so but to restore voting system and vote in DPOS1,vote decay,collateral 50/50 in regular way with no stacking.

How many members have we already lost thanks to them ?


A major point which people totaly forgat is TRUST.
Without TRUST no succees.
And all i can say is majority lost trust which you could see before on the decline trading on GDEX assets
and increasing by even Abits supporters dumping their BTS.
Abit ,DL and co leaving bitsharesdex channel because of massive amounts of frustrated members calling them scammers even before the trojan.Abit even implementing his bot to mute or ban all people who openly criticize his actions.

Does majority of community trust abit and co ?
Or is it a minority?
The minority going to replace the liquidity from the majority ?

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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2020, 04:19:18 pm »
The new changes in 5.0 are necessary too. It's rolled out because the previous changes are insufficient for protecting the platform since corruption evolved.

Dude corruption it is your second name

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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2020, 04:53:03 pm »
I support this update, but we have to obey the consensus by voting, so I have created a poll(ID:289/290), please consider voting for it.
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2020, 02:53:48 am »
remove the voting power of liquility BTS is a big change, but it's reasonable and acceptable to me, so I will support it.
but we'd best keep enough time for the transition period to prevent abuse of voting power.

I support this update, but we have to obey the consensus by voting, so I have created a poll(ID:289/290), please consider voting for it.

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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2020, 03:02:12 am »
BTW, the operation of lock BTS is a good feature,
we should give more rights to the locked shares, for example airdrop the fees income to them.
and  I encourage vote for the witness who have locked more BTS first.

remove the voting power of liquility BTS is a big change, but it's reasonable and acceptable to me, so I will support it.
but we'd best keep enough time for the transition period to prevent abuse of voting power.

I support this update, but we have to obey the consensus by voting, so I have created a poll(ID:289/290), please consider voting for it.

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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-30)
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2020, 10:53:05 am »
remove the voting power of liquility BTS is a big change, but it's reasonable and acceptable to me, so I will support it.
but we'd best keep enough time for the transition period to prevent abuse of voting power.

I support this update, but we have to obey the consensus by voting, so I have created a poll(ID:289/290), please consider voting for it.
Actions speak louder than words.

BTW, the operation of lock BTS is a good feature,
we should give more rights to the locked shares, for example airdrop the fees income to them.

My opinion is exactly the opposite. IMHO airdropping attracts more irresponsible behaviors.

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and  I encourage vote for the witness who have locked more BTS first.
IMHO this is OK but not necessary.
We need more people / capital to join us building the ecosystem but not only simply holding while doing nothing.
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-28)
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2020, 12:52:44 pm »
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-28)
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2020, 12:55:37 pm »
拐着弯骂猴哥,就是你的不对了,不过见证人需要锁仓,如果就是挖了卖搞钱,要他干嘛?

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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-28)
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2020, 07:17:44 pm »
拐着弯骂猴哥,就是你的不对了,不过见证人需要锁仓,如果就是挖了卖搞钱,要他干嘛?
少給他挖点就行了
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Re: BitShares 5.0 (2020-09-28)
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2020, 08:36:19 pm »
For transparency:

After looking at the relevant poll (and its unfortunate lack of participation despite the extremely important subject) and the voting advantage of the yes supporters, I decided I will run the new BitShares Core 5.0.0 release.

Stakeholders that do not agree can manage their vote accordingly.