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is there someone traslate my idea and send it to bytemaster? :'(
I attempted to read the Google translation but could not understand.
(Sometimes I don't understand this subject even when I write about it myself in English!)   :)

Has anyone done a BitShares domain-specific translation?
:'(  google translate
BitShares x provide a stable price of bitusd and bitcny , but users need to pledge 2-10 times of the BTS to

speculation, which for users is no Attractive , lost speculative leverage , as well as we create bitusd, bitcny,

who need these bitusd, bitcny it?

Demand quantity of bitusd and bitcny , equivalent to the value of BitShares x , we need to create bitusd, bitcny

needs in the world.

We should design a subsystem in BitShares x.
BitShares x  provide a stable price of bitusd and bitcny, subsystems push users to use them. bitusd and bitcny

needs mainly of two parts , one is shopping , the other one is speculative , and in a very long time, speculative

demand is Most of the needs.

In summary, there are some suggestions for BitShares x subsystem .

firstly. Design a subsystem , to provide users with speculative leverage , user-friendly speculation.
For example : User A converted 1000 dollars into 1000 bitusds, 1000 bitusds in BitShares x, A can buy a variety of

digital assets such as BTC, LTC, and so on . While A can publish a loaning information  , B has 1000 dollars , see

a loaning information, choose to A loans, the system transaction , B has 2000 bitusds to invest.

If the asset of B is approximately equal to (1000 + X) * 1.2, the subsytem will send a notice message to B, when B

's assets is approximately equals to 1000 + X, system will be send B'assets and send  1000 + X bitusds to A.
Thus , the bitusd users will have three chooses .
1.A borrower to others. 2.1000 bitusds to invest.
3.3000 bitusds to invest .

bitusd can gain will make a steady stream of dollars converted into bitusd, thereby creating a more bitusd.

secondly. subsystem painting trend analysis page , user-friendly analysis .

finally. bitusd digital money should be designed with features,such as, a payment confirmation fast , Security ,

and less data exchange and so on, to facilitate for the future needs of the consumer.

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is there someone traslate my idea and send it to bytemaster? :'(

I attempted to read the Google translation but could not understand.
(Sometimes I don't understand this subject even when I write about it myself in English!)   :)

Has anyone done a BitShares domain-specific translation?
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

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is there someone traslate my idea and send it to bytemaster? :'(

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看你们讨论地这么欢,我感觉我好没出息。我觉得先把MVP弄出来就万幸了,这个系统失败的可能性很大,MVP能用,再把白皮书的东西都实现了之后再来谈这些吧。

至于易用性,我觉得问题不大。BTCC当年的体验何其糟糕(现在也不咋地),不一样做中国的老大。3I的市场总监在牵头做一系列的动画视频,希望能用简短又生动的形式介绍这一大坨东西,而不像之前BM录的那几个让人听了昏昏欲睡的视频。
兄弟们,那是因为bytemaster还没有认识到杠杆功能的强大助推能力,它的作用可以超过n个其它应用,给btx和3I 注入了一剂强行针,我英文不咋的,不然早和他沟通了!!!

他不可能不知道杠杆的作用,至于是不是真有“强大的助推能力”就不好说了,796现在也不是很多人在玩,你看交易量就知道了。国外的几个有BTC期货功能的网站也挺惨淡的。

现在已经定了10倍保证金,那就是0.1倍杠杆?阿门。
兄弟,理解偏差了。。796 是期货,期货交易有限,最大流动在交易这块。0.1哪里是杠杆啊。我们在交易所btcchina买卖那就1倍,0.1那就是输赢都是交易所的10分之1,这样的目的是维持1usd=1bitusd。 是没有任何投机性在里面的。谁也不会去交易,也不会有用户去使用bitusd 怎么繁荣???
靠赌博应用?这些应用很慢不说,进入的钱也很有限,开发出来有没有用户用还很难说。为什么?
和btx一样最大的问题是需要走兑换中心先兑换,再到应用,回头出去再兑换回去。
如果有了bitusd,bitcny使用基础情况将完全不一样。
我说的这个是交易上搭配融资,融B,大家可以在BTX上买卖B的同时,可以向BTX的用户A、B、C....贷款.贷B。去做多做空买卖平台上的资产套利。。但贷款需要利息。这是OK网。这样就形成了一个生态链,外面的钱源源的流向BTX。bitusd,bitcny是不是就被使用上了?然后再推广,让交易和消费中使用。
三个连环扣啊,层层深入。
1.BTX锁定 bitusd,bitcny等于美圆,人民币价值.
2.上平台交易,让投机者使用这些bitusd,bitcny,因为bitusd有利息,有本事的还可以套利,目前国外还没有这个,这个优势很大,还是去中心的。
3.有了bitusd,bitcny的使用者,向交易网站等等推广使用我们这种价值恒定的bitusd,bitcny来交易,没有价格波动风险。
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看你们讨论地这么欢,我感觉我好没出息。我觉得先把MVP弄出来就万幸了,这个系统失败的可能性很大,MVP能用,再把白皮书的东西都实现了之后再来谈这些吧。

至于易用性,我觉得问题不大。BTCC当年的体验何其糟糕(现在也不咋地),不一样做中国的老大。3I的市场总监在牵头做一系列的动画视频,希望能用简短又生动的形式介绍这一大坨东西,而不像之前BM录的那几个让人听了昏昏欲睡的视频。
兄弟们,那是因为bytemaster还没有认识到杠杆功能的强大助推能力,它的作用可以超过n个其它应用,给btx和3I 注入了一剂强行针,我英文不咋的,不然早和他沟通了!!!

他不可能不知道杠杆的作用,至于是不是真有“强大的助推能力”就不好说了,796现在也不是很多人在玩,你看交易量就知道了。国外的几个有BTC期货功能的网站也挺惨淡的。

现在已经定了10倍保证金,那就是0.1倍杠杆?阿门。

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看你们讨论地这么欢,我感觉我好没出息。我觉得先把MVP弄出来就万幸了,这个系统失败的可能性很大,MVP能用,再把白皮书的东西都实现了之后再来谈这些吧。

至于易用性,我觉得问题不大。BTCC当年的体验何其糟糕(现在也不咋地),不一样做中国的老大。3I的市场总监在牵头做一系列的动画视频,希望能用简短又生动的形式介绍这一大坨东西,而不像之前BM录的那几个让人听了昏昏欲睡的视频。
兄弟们,那是因为bytemaster还没有认识到杠杆功能的强大助推能力,它的作用可以超过n个其它应用,给btx和3I 注入了一剂强行针,我英文不咋的,不然早和他沟通了!!!

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看你们讨论地这么欢,我感觉我好没出息。我觉得先把MVP弄出来就万幸了,这个系统失败的可能性很大,MVP能用,再把白皮书的东西都实现了之后再来谈这些吧。

至于易用性,我觉得问题不大。BTCC当年的体验何其糟糕(现在也不咋地),不一样做中国的老大。3I的市场总监在牵头做一系列的动画视频,希望能用简短又生动的形式介绍这一大坨东西,而不像之前BM录的那几个让人听了昏昏欲睡的视频。

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兄弟,在BTX上集成P2P投融资数字资产的子系统,杠杆设置为2-4倍之间。这个很重要,3I有没有提及.
这个我认为他们会放在BitShares XT之后,这篇文章提到 “当然,其他一些人,比如Toast表示,如果BitShares XT发布比较成功的话,他们会发布针对股票、商品以及其它交易内容的版本”  上面提到股票,商品这些 有极大几率会提想到杠杆交易

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你提的第一点 包含在 BitShares XI  提及,他们已经考虑到了
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兄弟,在BTX上集成P2P投融资数字资产的子系统,杠杆设置为2-4倍之间。这个很重要,3I有没有提及.
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你提的第一点 包含在 BitShares XI  提及,他们已经考虑到了
链接在这里
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2942.0
兄弟,在BTX上集成P2P投融资数字资产的子系统,杠杆设置为2-4倍之间。这个很重要,3I有没有提及.

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你提的第一点 包含在 BitShares XI  提及,他们已经考虑到了
链接在这里
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2942.0

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3i的核心在bitshare,那个钱包是前ceo糊弄人圈钱用的。已经被bm优化到2线去了。看下面的红字

But profit will only be produced by decentralized autonomous companies, so where do i3's profit seeking objectives actually meet with their theory of DACs?  And how exactly did li xiaolai and any other initial investor see that their investment would return over time?

It has been said/implied in other places, but I would like to outline our strategy for Invictus making a return for the shareholders of I3.

1) Invictus develops software at-cost and takes no profit as a company.  Ie: We will be spending 100% of AGS funds on R&D with no fee-for-service.
      a) Officers in the company receive salaries far below market value.

2) Invictus used initial VC funds to do the following:
      a) build & develop a business plan
      b) build PTS
      c) mine & buy PTS
      d) contribute funds to AGS on equal footing with everyone else.
      e) we have only received $450K of the initial $575K commitment as scheduled.

3) As a result of the initial steps the company holds free and clear (as profit) about 5% of the Feb 28th snapshot which we estimate to be worth about $2.5 million based upon PTS price prior to snapshot.  If we were to distribute everything except the AGS funds our investors would already see a profit and we haven't even released our first full DAC yet.

4) As we spend the 4+ million in AGS funds we have received we will grow the value of our 5% along with the other 95% which is owned by the community.

5) The nice thing about this strategy is that our 'profits' are all in the form of capital gains.   

The numbers and figures used in this example are mere approximations and should not be construed to represent actual numbers which only our accountant has.

The original business plan when Charles was CEO was something along the lines of:
   1) Build Keyhotee and attract a lot of eyeballs (users)
   2) Monetize these eyeballs through hardware sales (wallet, miners, add-on services)
   3) Build DACs that use our dedicated mining hardware.
   4) Run a mining pool and collect all of the fees.


As you can see we had to pivot our business plan when I eliminated mining.   You can also see that our new business model aligns our interests with those of the community much better than the old plan.   By owning shares in profit generating DACs Invictus in turn also generates profits.

Lastly we are partnering with other companies and we are earning revenue from consulting and custom development (outside of AGS).   
     

加是得加,前提是3I知道怎么加,和理解这种做法的必要性.  不是我们在这等待,到时候就有了.很难说.
面对现实,看看邮箱的UI 设计,那得是多菜多不关心用户的体验的程序员才能做成那样.在做程序前,能不能先画个图,就按这个设计做?如果他能做好,还用大家操啥心,闭眼等待就好了.

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我发觉目前论坛上很多国人关于的bts发展前景帖子和BM的冲突时源于老美和国人的做事方式不同的冲突。老美从小就是按照divide and conquer 的办法来做事,所以才有人类史上巨大成功的项目如阿婆罗登月项目。 我觉得3i目前集中精力把btsx平台做好是很现实的一件事,慢慢的其它功能都可以加上去,就像搭积木。 大家不要太性急。你们知道为什么中国女人都投靠老美吗?有个很主要的原因是国男太性急了。
加是得加,前提是3I知道怎么加,和理解这种做法的必要性.  不是我们在这等待,到时候就有了.很难说.
面对现实,看看邮箱的UI 设计,那得是多菜多不关心用户的体验的程序员才能做成那样.在做程序前,能不能先画个图,就按这个设计做?如果他能做好,还用大家操啥心,闭眼等待就好了.
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我发觉目前论坛上很多国人关于的bts发展前景帖子和BM的冲突时源于老美和国人的做事方式不同的冲突。老美从小就是按照divide and conquer 的办法来做事,所以才有人类史上巨大成功的项目如阿婆罗登月项目。 我觉得3i目前集中精力把btsx平台做好是很现实的一件事,慢慢的其它功能都可以加上去,就像搭积木。 大家不要太性急。你们知道为什么中国女人都投靠老美吗?有个很主要的原因是国男太性急了。
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bts x是去中心化银行和交易所。
存cny得bitcny,客户手上的bitcny就是银行余额。同样的,god、btc也可以往里面存。进而实现系统内的高效自由交易。
bts x要实现的是更加易用的数字资产,便于接受的交易平台。
重点和前提是块链安全和锚定机制,这是首要关注的。
有优势不等于马上成功,要让客户产生实际应用的信心,时间得更长。需要共同努力。
楼主所提的扩展应用很有道理但为时过早,那得更加有耐心。我们都得实事求是。目前bts x系统将要面对很多实践检验,我们拭目以待。

我也是为了大家好,目前的设计谁会用的问题???
我的意思也很明白:第一这两个东西并不冲突;第二就目前的功能设计目前的情况而言, BitShares X基本没有被用户使用的可能性。没用户,你应该知道结局是啥。没用户的产品发行了和没有发行差别不大。。发行和锚定自然重要,但没用户接受的产品结局一样是失败;第三 我没要求31现在就要实现,但3I不能不了解这个问题的严重性。钱已经够多了,把脚落到实地上走路,不能一味的理论高大上,落到产品上,如果做出来的东西屎一样烂,没有吸引力的话,理论还有啥用?。


我记得有一位说的很对,现在就是争取把骨架先搭起来看下是不是这么回事,稳定了再慢慢长肉;可能以后才会有更多功能上去,不可能一步到位的
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