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What should Keyhotee be re-branded as?

BitMail (BitMail ID)
8 (8.7%)
BitKey (BitKey ID)
25 (27.2%)
KeyMail (Key ID)
15 (16.3%)
Leave it alone!
38 (41.3%)
Something else.
6 (6.5%)

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2014, 06:47:32 pm »


How about  "BitBox" or "KeyBox"?


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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2014, 07:03:36 pm »
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

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But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2014, 07:23:56 pm »
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

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But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another

Sorry, that is not correct.
An accurate poll to see whether people would want to change it (and that would only include the sahrehodlers here on the forum) would be: Do you want to change the Keyhotee name or not? Then you make a poll with all the name contenders. Select the best one and let it run against Keyhotee. That would be correct. With the poll in this thread we get what we ask for and that was not. Do you want to change it or not.

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« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2014, 07:27:18 pm »

In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

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But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another

Sorry, that is not correct.
An accurate poll to see whether people would want to change it (and that would only include the sahrehodlers here on the forum) would be: Do you want to change the Keyhotee name or not? Then you make a poll with all the name contenders. Select the best one and let it run against Keyhotee. That would be correct. With the poll in this thread we get what we ask for and that was not. Do you want to change it or not.

You are correct, arguably, as am I

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #79 on: April 02, 2014, 08:08:59 am »
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2014, 04:49:54 pm »
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

Listening is essential and they are doing it well. But I agree that leaders need to make decisions and have room to do so. So far, I like what I see. As for the Keyhotee name, I kind of like it, but I understand the criticisms also. Personally, I thought Twitter was the dumbest name ever, and look what happened to that. Sometimes, a fresh new name just comes out of left field and it really makes a branding impact. It can be good to follow sometimes (e.g., the whole 'bit' thing), and other times leading is the right thing to do. I will leave this to smarter people than me to decide. 

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2014, 06:16:16 pm »
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics
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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2014, 11:37:29 pm »
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck






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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #83 on: April 03, 2014, 12:12:04 am »
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck







Don't forget the infamous "Daffy DAC"

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #84 on: April 03, 2014, 12:19:40 am »
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« Reply #85 on: April 03, 2014, 12:42:09 am »
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck








This is actually out of the box genius


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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #86 on: April 03, 2014, 04:37:30 am »
Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

You are correct, however, this is exactly the point of the exercise - what does the average Joe (defined as not a developer) feel/think about the branding?

My initial experience was not positive and I thought it something the community should explore.

The uniqueness and non-bitness of Keyhotee are huge strengths.

But I just can't get past the third syllable.

The vast majority of successful/breakthrough branding campaigns used two syllables - we really can't afford to ignore this.

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #87 on: April 03, 2014, 08:55:28 am »
Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

You are correct, however, this is exactly the point of the exercise - what does the average Joe (defined as not a developer) feel/think about the branding?

My initial experience was not positive and I thought it something the community should explore.

The uniqueness and non-bitness of Keyhotee are huge strengths.

But I just can't get past the third syllable.

The vast majority of successful/breakthrough branding campaigns used two syllables - we really can't afford to ignore this.

It's worth noting that Microsoft, Amazon, Toyota and McDonald's have somehow overcome the third syllable.


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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #88 on: April 03, 2014, 06:02:16 pm »
That duck idea is potentially brilliant. If I were part of Invictus, I would consider that worthy of a very serious discussion, very soon, because it brands the whole suite and the DAC word itself in a way that is cute but not offensive. Marketing Department, how about a little market research on which of these ideas resonates best with the target crowd? Stand outside a Starbucks and offer a coffee coupon to anyone who tells you which of these names they like best?

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Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2014, 07:18:41 pm »
The duck idea is good in that it can be applied across the board with DACs.

"donKEY ID" is still my suggestion. I don't think it's as stupid as I first thought in a previous post.

"donKEY ID" sounds very much like "Don Quixote" (from whom Keyhotee derives it's name).
Just try saying the two aloud.

donKEY ID is easy to remember, it's two syllables, it contains the "key" element, it's logo friendly, it sounds like Don Quixote...

I've not thought much about how to arrange the upper and lower case lettering though.

Will the name appeal to the owner of the previous post - donkeypong!?

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