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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2014, 03:21:20 pm »
 
I've reconsidered the issue following the feedback from the community and decided to honor the AGS holders with 10%. Thanks for the feedback on this issue and apologies for any divisiveness created.
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2014, 05:08:53 pm »
I've reconsidered the issue following the feedback from the community and decided to honor the AGS holders with 10%. Thanks for the feedback on this issue and apologies for any divisiveness created.

Happy to hear that, though I would have understood the opposite.
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2014, 05:18:36 pm »
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2014, 06:30:56 pm »
Sorry everyone, I made a mistake when replying to this thread. Posting rushed messages in my spare minutes does more harm than good. I was under the impression it was discussing AGS shares distribution in general and did not see the subforums this was posted under. So if a mod could delete my posts that would be nice, unless nobody thinks they are disrupting the discussion.

Is there a topic discussing the arguments that would make someone chose a certain distribution and what motives would force the adherence to the social contract? So for example an btc-upgrade DAC to dpos would not need to issue shares to AGS/PTS, because of the massive marketing effect it would have for DPOS and the collective holdings of PTS and AGS in general. Other DACS would issue shares to PTS and AGS according to their requirement of cooperation and support from Invictus and the founding community. Something along those lines.

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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2014, 08:42:33 pm »
You allocated 40% for things like marketing. It's not all about the code. Why not work with Stan and see what win win scenarios there might be in honoring AGS? Don't be stubborn, that's one reason MMC didn't do so well.

People are altruistic for selfish reasons but it works. You scratch our backs we scratch yours. The network effect works for ALL networks both on large scale and individually.

I agree with the comment on MMC. It probably didn't do so well because you just came across as selfish and not altruistic. 
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2014, 09:30:21 pm »
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So what you are showing is that the community on Bitshares is more active than any of the other communities. Looks very promising to me.  8)

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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2014, 09:35:59 pm »
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2014, 09:36:46 pm »
I've reconsidered the issue following the feedback from the community and decided to honor the AGS holders with 10%. Thanks for the feedback on this issue and apologies for any divisiveness created.

I 100% want this project to succeed!

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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2014, 10:55:04 am »
I've reconsidered the issue following the feedback from the community and decided to honor the AGS holders with 10%. Thanks for the feedback on this issue and apologies for any divisiveness created.

Is there a way we could set up a Dev/Community Voice session to chat it up with the community and allow them to ask questions and let you answer them?  It would be helpful to get a little conversation recorded with you speaking to the launch's "air drop" coins and informing the crypto communities you are honoring so they know you included them.  Who knows, it could even make it onto the Beyond Bitcoin Show (or someone else's show who wants to access the content of the session free of charge). 

PM me if interested in this Freetrade and we'll get something set up sometime. 
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2014, 07:20:25 pm »
Very cool! Good job. Thoughts:

1) Non-proportional awards for DOGE and BTC... Dogecoin's about to get dusted!
2) Secure distributed RNG, I'm pretty sure Denny's DPOS approach solves that. Any plans to play nice regarding possible name collisions? I'm sure you would not appreciate it if he called his "LottoShares 2.0"
3) Not honoring AGS... Might be reasonable if you're making a point about how they didn't give you any funds, but the point is the distribution list and not shows of allegiance. I don't think a fork is a threat because of Denny's lotto DAC and there is no precedent to show AGS is a good target.

1. The BTC and DOGE block distribution points have already passed.
2. I don't think it solves the problem sufficiently for very large prizes - not sure about name collisions - he seems to be calling it Lotto Dapp . . i've got the lottoshares.org domain and google says 'No results found for +lottoshares'
3. I'm not making any point here, certainly not expecting any funds from AGS. I haven't had any involvement with AGS so it doesn't feel appropriate to distribute shares to AGS holders. My involvement is with MMC and PTS so want to ensure those holders are supported. The intention with BTC and DOGE is to get a free lottery ticket into everyone's hands for maximum involvement.

For #2 I'm talking about our own Denny Wang aka HackFisher in the "charity" subforum. There are two Denny's lottos =P

#3 - please consider AGS! It makes the difference between begrudging and enthusiastic support from the bitshares community. I think the community support may be worth taking 1/4th of the planned dev premine.

Thanks for all you are doing and for honoring PTS!

Honoring AGS also would free us up to include promoting your DAC as part of our media blitz planned to coincide with our big summer-long DAC coming out party.  We are promoting an industry, not one company, and are delighted to promote any third party DACs that the BitShares Social Consensus allows us to support.   

Possible synergies abound!   Joint interviews and videos that people will consume just because they are joint interviews and videos, for example.  You can be a part of every promotion we produce that talks about the Summer Cambrian Explosion of DACs.  Let us bask in each others brilliance!  The whole can be greater than the sum of its parts!

While Denny's DACs and your DACs may look like competitors, the real competitors are established on-line gaming businesses.  You and Denny will drive more awareness to each other's DACs than you will take away from each other.  It's the same reason competing car dealers and hardware stores tend to cluster on the same street.  Get the traffic to come to your neighborhood and then compete!

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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2014, 02:15:55 am »
How AGS is handled is a completely different problem, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, tonyk!

However given that he is giving away 20% to BTC and DOGE, is a huge blow to bitshares community. BTC and DOGE don't give you anything in return either, well perhaps some free marketing.

I know the bitshares community has been largely behind the creation of the open source beyond bitcoin show.  If a DAC has open access to a community that creates content for its own show, to me that community is pretty valuable to not only to DAC Devs, but also the crypto community as a whole.
Just think...Open source blockchain awareness media network and the Legend gives a humble shout out to the bitshares community and BM for being first movers in the adoption of beyond bitcoin.  Along with that you have open access to the community and their appreciation..
Maybe I am too positive here, but it seems like a great place to establish an early DAC to media and community exposure advantage, it seems like a smart long term synergistic play.
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2014, 02:04:37 pm »
Can someone help me understand if AGS awarded to Founders is part of the Genesis block for LottoShares?  I'm very excited to see this DAC launch and the enthusiasm for it on Bitcointalk.


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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2014, 02:36:07 pm »
Can someone help me understand if AGS awarded to Founders is part of the Genesis block for LottoShares?  I'm very excited to see this DAC launch and the enthusiasm for it on Bitcointalk.


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Yes, but they are all awarded to an address that I3 controls because they have the magic spreadsheet.
(Not everyone had registered a founder key)
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2014, 03:17:13 pm »
Afaik the issue is privacy .. if they were to honor the founder in the genesis aeverone could find out who donated what?
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Re: Honoring AGS
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2014, 03:19:48 pm »
Can someone help me understand if AGS awarded to Founders is part of the Genesis block for LottoShares?  I'm very excited to see this DAC launch and the enthusiasm for it on Bitcointalk.


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Yes, but they are all awarded to an address that I3 controls because they have the magic spreadsheet.
(Not everyone had registered a founder key)


Understood, thank you.