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Quote from: merockstar on August 28, 2014, 06:01:57 pmpretend btsx and bitUSD blows up and the vast majority of people use it.would that make much higher returns possible through a market peg?bitUSD1000 or even bitUSD10000?No one would short at interest rates that high...
pretend btsx and bitUSD blows up and the vast majority of people use it.would that make much higher returns possible through a market peg?bitUSD1000 or even bitUSD10000?
Quote from: bytemaster on August 21, 2014, 05:13:48 pmBItUSD interest isn't tied to growth of BTSX. That's where the misunderstanding was.A BitAsset can be defined in terms of any clear consensus point. By default we have BitUSD which is consensus tied to the dollar. We can also define it to be any easily calculated (unambiguous) equation relative to a well defined value. IE: a weighted basket of commodities, or an interest bearing bond. Think "Bit30YearTreasuries" I have two assumptions: (1) There will be a demand for different BitUSDs (BitUSD-5, BitUSD0, BitUSD5 (= BitUSD 5 %), BitUSD10, BitUSD100 etc.). (2) shorting BitUSD is going long BTSX and going long BitUSD (buying BitUSD) is going short BTSX. Therefore...If BTS X is believed to grow much for sure then many will want to go short BitUSD and the demand for going long BitUSD will be small. Therefore the BitUSD shorters have to offer the BitUSD long positions much interest so there is enough demand for BitUSD long positions to meet the BitUSD short positions. If BTSX is doubted to grow much or if the growth of BTSX is doubted at all many will want to go long BitUSD and woun't be able to get much interest....Conclusion: Depending on the growth potential of BTS X the demand for BitUSD long and short positions will vary. Therefore, depending on the growth potential of BTSX, sometimes BitUSD0 and sometimes BitUSD50 will be what traders will agree on to trade.
BItUSD interest isn't tied to growth of BTSX. That's where the misunderstanding was.A BitAsset can be defined in terms of any clear consensus point. By default we have BitUSD which is consensus tied to the dollar. We can also define it to be any easily calculated (unambiguous) equation relative to a well defined value. IE: a weighted basket of commodities, or an interest bearing bond. Think "Bit30YearTreasuries"
how will the bitAssets ''appear'' or be distributed, if they are? I mean, the first time we buy them, we will buy them from who/what? Which entity so to speak, will sell them to whoever is buying? Im confused about that. Maybe i missed some explanation about it
For the record, I don't like this idea. I think there are ways of doing interest paying bonds but I don't think this is it. I hope we don't push this or advertise it anytime soon."Holding this asset would appreciate at 5% based upon consensus alone"If you are suggesting this doesn't require changes to the code, just a different asset name, than I don't think it works.
What is the frequency in which interest is paid to bitUSD holders?
Thanks toast for the reply but I don't get it yet. The question to me is: If the interest rate on BitUSD is variable and depends on the growth potential of BTS X then we have two assets BitUSD and BTSX but the BitUSD is not always worth 1 USD because: If BTS X is believed to grow much for sure per year then many will want to go short BitUSD and those that go long BitUSD will get much interest on their BitUSD. If BTSX is doubted to grow much or if the growth of BTSX is doubted at all many will want to go long BitUSD and woun't be able to get much interest. Where is the flaw in my argument?
I believe that the one thing Bitshres eco system lacks is complexity. It is so flat learning curve that in order to make it intriguing for every newcomer we need to add up everyday. Mass adoption will easily follow if everybody comes to Bitshares and do not finds the whole concept boring and lacking new ideas. If there is nothing progressive, innovative, experimental and groundbreaking they will simply leave. Actually if only a couple of groundbreaking innovations happen at the time of their visit they may leave and never return. The market peg is a Giant experiment in itself... DPOS TITAN a bunch other DACs...and that is for people already following the projectsLeave it for 3-6 mo. after we have working peg... will you?
Quote from: CLains on August 15, 2014, 04:37:09 pmWouldn't there be a single point that marks the percent interest people are willing to buy bitUSD at? This point would shift dynamically as BTSX is trending up or down.I just had the same thought. The x in BitUSDx should equal the percentage BTSX is thought to grow per year which fluctuates. Then we would not have a market peg anymore (?).Quote from: CLains on August 15, 2014, 04:37:09 pmIn fact, the bitUSD here only works as a stable value. A superior stable value would be a value combined out of many different stable values. If you allow it, the market will find the most stable value - least risk of volatility - and figure out the interest rate this value deserves.what do you mean by "many different stable values"?
Wouldn't there be a single point that marks the percent interest people are willing to buy bitUSD at? This point would shift dynamically as BTSX is trending up or down.
In fact, the bitUSD here only works as a stable value. A superior stable value would be a value combined out of many different stable values. If you allow it, the market will find the most stable value - least risk of volatility - and figure out the interest rate this value deserves.
Quote from: xeroc on August 15, 2014, 08:03:23 amQuote from: liondani on August 15, 2014, 07:48:22 amdo you mean Vitalik Buterin?good catch .. i read Vikram ..so?You heard me. The v man himself. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: liondani on August 15, 2014, 07:48:22 amdo you mean Vitalik Buterin?good catch .. i read Vikram ..so?
do you mean Vitalik Buterin?
There are more counter parties at 5% than 0%
Quote from: bytemaster on August 15, 2014, 03:34:06 pmThe demand to short the dollar requires a counterparty. There are more counter parties at 5% than 0%Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMaybe on the beginning... but why should the demand to short bitUSD5 be higher in future?let's say the prizes stabilize close to 1 bitUSD=$1 and 1 bitusd5=$1.05 (as it should)why would the demand of shorting be higher for one of them? I don't get it.
The demand to short the dollar requires a counterparty. There are more counter parties at 5% than 0%Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: delulo on August 15, 2014, 08:20:51 am(2) If BitUSD wins 5 % per year BTSX would have to loose 5% per year (if no other factors play a role like feesidends or share appreciation due to growth/speculation). Would the fees be high enough to compensate for the loss? If not I think that would not a be a huge problem. Traders of BTSX can take that into account.The 5% is payed by the shorts to the longs. There's no change in supply is there?
(2) If BitUSD wins 5 % per year BTSX would have to loose 5% per year (if no other factors play a role like feesidends or share appreciation due to growth/speculation). Would the fees be high enough to compensate for the loss? If not I think that would not a be a huge problem. Traders of BTSX can take that into account.
Quote from: ebit on August 15, 2014, 11:25:01 amI don't think it is a good idea.BitUsd5 BitUsd6 BitUsd7 BitUsd8 BitUsd9......LikeGoldcoin10%gold Goldcoin20%gold Goldcoin30%gold Goldcoin40%gold......May be it will cause competition,and out-of-balance.But have a try is ok.Another question:The Bitusd's largest number of supply100,000,000,000 USD , is fixed or Adjustable?I agree - having multiple different BitUSDs looks messy, and makes the whole thing look like an experiment. Another way to introduce interest would be to have a single BitUSD, but gradually raise its interest from 0% -> 1% -> 5% etc, whilst checking that the peg still holds.
I don't think it is a good idea.BitUsd5 BitUsd6 BitUsd7 BitUsd8 BitUsd9......LikeGoldcoin10%gold Goldcoin20%gold Goldcoin30%gold Goldcoin40%gold......May be it will cause competition,and out-of-balance.But have a try is ok.Another question:The Bitusd's largest number of supply100,000,000,000 USD , is fixed or Adjustable?
... that would be a BitAsset where the shorts paid the longs X% interest.
Quote from: bytemaster on August 15, 2014, 05:21:41 amThe question remains is how much market demand is there for such an asset.Obviously enormous in your opinion...
The question remains is how much market demand is there for such an asset.