An open letter to Tonyk

[happybit]

Hahaha!!!

GLAD I FOUND THIS POST!

I understand this TONYK character a bit better now.

I hope to one-day have a thread of my own.  Dedicated to all the "Happy" Bits of Bitshares!

I know I will not change his way of communicating, he seems to have his own style -- maybe we'll meet somewhere and trade jokes, yours are super confusing to me in writing.  Must be because of your Superior writing skills, and my lack there of! 

[38PTSWarrior]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

I wish but I highly doubt that - Dan, Stan, Nikolai (Sorry if I missing someone) are the one that did the true work.

Yes, but you did voice the general concern regarding distribution more *convincingly* then the average user. That at least had some influence on the discussion with the I3 team. Keep it up!

strongly agree!

You should both stop those unnecessary destructive encouragements... NOW!

During a week, that I am trying to make hard enough choices:  Between being honest open logical and blunt, regarding anything and everything I disagree with. And try to find a way to do this without leaving unintended hurt feelings and or blood spills....

It is hard enough without encouraging my natural tendencies... So, at least give me a chance to figure out if there is a way to be a kinder man and remain true to myself, please...

Respect for your wise and adult statement tonyk. Keep going

[serejandmyself]

I personally prefer uruguay or abkhazia, worst case scenario NZ, but i dont like it there that much 

[tonyk]

Next aim - a 7 figure income....

in what currency? 

In NOTES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH-qFeRa7E

Haha Tonyk i didnt know you were a dance fan! So the dream is Cuba and the free live?   

I do not mind being described as music fan, so yes.

Not precisely Cuba, but I will not mind several places just east off Russia an a little bit more south...[pretty much everything south of Danube and North of Africa, will do; Italy is fine too.]

[serejandmyself]

Next aim - a 7 figure income....

in what currency? 

In NOTES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH-qFeRa7E

Haha Tonyk i didnt know you were a dance fan! So the dream is Cuba and the free live?   

[tonyk]

Next aim - a 7 figure income....

in what currency? 

In NOTES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH-qFeRa7E

[serejandmyself]

Next aim - a 7 figure income....

in what currency? 

[tonyk]

Tonyk, you now have a 6 page thread about only you. How does that feel?

A good start!

            "What are 100 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?... A good start!"

doe in personal level more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH-qFeRa7E

Next aim - a 7 figure income....

[fuzzy]

Tonyk, you now have a 6 page thread about only you. How does that feel?

[tonyk]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

I wish but I highly doubt that - Dan, Stan, Nikolai (Sorry if I missing someone) are the one that did the true work.

Yes, but you did voice the general concern regarding distribution more *convincingly* then the average user. That at least had some influence on the discussion with the I3 team. Keep it up!

strongly agree!

You should both stop those unnecessary destructive encouragements... NOW!

During a week, that I am trying to make hard enough choices:  Between being honest open logical and blunt, regarding anything and everything I disagree with. And try to find a way to do this without leaving unintended hurt feelings and or blood spills....

It is hard enough without encouraging my natural tendencies... So, at least give me a chance to figure out if there is a way to be a kinder man and remain true to myself, please...

[liondani]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

I wish but I highly doubt that - Dan, Stan, Nikolai (Sorry if I missing someone) are the one that did the true work.

Yes, but you did voice the general concern regarding distribution more *convincingly* then the average user. That at least had some influence on the discussion with the I3 team. Keep it up!

strongly agree!

[Chuckone]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

I wish but I highly doubt that - Dan, Stan, Nikolai (Sorry if I missing someone) are the one that did the true work.

Yes, but you did voice the general concern regarding distribution more *convincingly* then the average user. That at least had some influence on the discussion with the I3 team. Keep it up!

[tonyk]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

I wish but I highly doubt that - Dan, Stan, Nikolai (Sorry if I missing someone) are the one that did the true work.

[jwiz168]

I maybe late on this one but tonyk was the MAIN man why cob reconsidered his stand on allocations of shares in Bitshares Music which was the 10% for each AGS/PTS holders. He has a firm grasp of what he is putting on the table.

[38PTSWarrior]

Hold your wallet tight, maybe next year we'll take a flight

[mf-tzo]

ROFL I was talking about moderation in alcohol intake.

Wish I could be there...

[gamey]

I'm meeting up with Tonky in Vegas at touchdown !  Will having to be doing some moderating there with all the serious people about.

You can close tonyk's mouth...maybe

You can not stay on the way of... dat peg doe ... the bitUSD one that it is.

ROFL I was talking about moderation in alcohol intake.

[tonyk]

I'm meeting up with Tonky in Vegas at touchdown !  Will having to be doing some moderating there with all the serious people about.

You can close tonyk's mouth...maybe

You can not stay on the way of... dat peg doe ... the bitUSD one that it is.

[fussyhands]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121407#msg121407

He asked a question that could show you that gold is only volatile in terms of $ value .. not in terms of bitGLD value .. he wanted to point you towards the right direction such that you can figure it out your self .. don't take anything tony says personally .. (I made that error too)

Then I pointed out that gold is highly volatile in BUYING POWER, not just in terms of $ value.  That is a fact.  Go look it up if you don't know that already.  His response to that was to imply that I was an idiot, say he was "done with" me, and leave the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121447#msg121447

Someone who engages in ad hominem attacks and ends conversations whenever the FACTS don't agree with his ideology is an idiot.

Fussyhands,

The statement: "the buying power of gold is highly volatile" is a subjective statement rather than a "FACT". When you use words like "highly" "extremely" you are making a subjective judgment and these statements must be considered in context.  In the context of the discussion taking place about altcoin cryptocurrencies I think it is fair to say that the buying power you can expect from gold is significantly less volatile and more predictable than the buying power you can expect from most altcoins.  Rather than present the statement as incontrovertible fact, perhaps if you explained more specifically what "highly volatile" means to you there would be opportunity for agreement.

I definitely would have been open to exploring the meaning of "highly" and clarifying that I did not mean in comparison to altcoins, but rather to major currencies.  We were talking about the properties necessary to be a good currency so in context I think its pretty obvious that I'm talking in comparison to healthy currencies.  But I would have been happy to clarify and continue exploring in an open and civil way.

Instead, the response I got was:  "Are you really that...., or you just play one here? Anyway I am done with you also."

That didn't really invite mutual exploration.

[gamey]

I'm meeting up with Tonky in Vegas at touchdown !  Will having to be doing some moderating there with all the serious people about.

[Agent86]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121407#msg121407

He asked a question that could show you that gold is only volatile in terms of $ value .. not in terms of bitGLD value .. he wanted to point you towards the right direction such that you can figure it out your self .. don't take anything tony says personally .. (I made that error too)

Then I pointed out that gold is highly volatile in BUYING POWER, not just in terms of $ value.  That is a fact.  Go look it up if you don't know that already.  His response to that was to imply that I was an idiot, say he was "done with" me, and leave the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121447#msg121447

Someone who engages in ad hominem attacks and ends conversations whenever the FACTS don't agree with his ideology is an idiot.

Fussyhands,

The statement: "the buying power of gold is highly volatile" is a subjective statement rather than a "FACT". When you use words like "highly" "extremely" you are making a subjective judgment and these statements must be considered in context.  In the context of the discussion taking place about altcoin cryptocurrencies I think it is fair to say that the buying power you can expect from gold is significantly less volatile and more predictable than the buying power you can expect from most altcoins.  Rather than present the statement as incontrovertible fact, perhaps if you explained more specifically what "highly volatile" means to you there would be opportunity for agreement.

[mf-tzo]

haha don't worry I'm in the same boat.

I seriously doubt...Have you checked how long I have been registered? Considering I am everyday here since then and I am still get confused, I must definitely be an idiot...hahaha...

[fussyhands]

fussyhands, can you please send a link that backs up the facts you are supporting? I tried googling your suggested search term, and all I can find are things that say gold actually has stable buying power. I'm open to the possibility that they are all misguided, however your suggestion for research is not proving effective.

Sure.  Just did that at:  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg122192#msg122192

[Mysto]

I know I must be an idiot since after all this time I am still struggling to understand things  ...

haha don't worry I'm in the same boat.

[mf-tzo]

I think 5 pages in this post is more than enough to judge the character and personality of someone..

Give the guy a break.

Sometimes I find him rude, other times he is very funny and sarcastic, other times he is very valuable..

Anyone can express his opinions with whatever way they choose. It is up to you to ignore him if you want..

It's called Free speech!

The only thing I would just avoid is calling names others (especially new members) since this overall is bad for the community. You can call me any names you like. I know I must be an idiot since after all this time I am still struggling to understand things  ...

So please make Peace and please and let's move on...

[fluxer555]

fussyhands, can you please send a link that backs up the facts you are supporting? I tried googling your suggested search term, and all I can find are things that say gold actually has stable buying power. I'm open to the possibility that they are all misguided, however your suggestion for research is not proving effective.

[fussyhands]

Personally I've had a negative interaction with TonyK who seems to be a close minded ideologue.  When I pointed out that the buying power of gold is HIGHLY volatile (it is, go look it up if you don't think so) he started implying I was an idiot and then stopped talking to me.  Does not seem smart or interested in learning.

Now, that is outright lie! Everybody can read the thread for him/herself

I said {after trying to teach first btw] that BTSX can implement a basket of commodities and till then we have bitGold... the name-calling was started and kept one-sided by fussy...

I will not suggest visiting an eye doctor in his case... much more serious treatment is needed, in my view.

Not so.  See the link:  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121447#msg121447

I said the BUYING POWER of Gold is highly volatile (an indisputable fact) and your response was: "Are you really that...., or you just play one here? Anyway I am done with you also."

You can't just make stuff up and say I'm lying.  There is a record here.

[fussyhands]

Let me quote you from the other thread:

Price of gold is also highly volatile, and thus not suitable for currency,

cannot see there that you are talking about "BUYING power" .. sorry .. could also be volatility in terms of $, €, CNY, or bananas

"I am done with you" may come from a mistranslation from .. i read almost 300 posts today, am tiered and will go to bed .. done for today .. have you thought about that?
there are non-english-native people around ..

No.  Please read the link that I included:  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121447#msg121447

I am very clear that I am talking about BUYING POWER.  That is when he starts with the insults.

[xeroc]

Let me quote you from the other thread:

Price of gold is also highly volatile, and thus not suitable for currency,

cannot see there that you are talking about "BUYING power" .. sorry .. could also be volatility in terms of $, €, CNY, or bananas

"I am done with you" may come from a mistranslation from .. i read almost 300 posts today, am tiered and will go to bed .. done for today .. have you thought about that?
there are non-english-native people around ..

[tonyk]

Personally I've had a negative interaction with TonyK who seems to be a close minded ideologue.  When I pointed out that the buying power of gold is HIGHLY volatile (it is, go look it up if you don't think so) he started implying I was an idiot and then stopped talking to me.  Does not seem smart or interested in learning.

Now, that is outright lie! Everybody can read the thread for him/herself

I said {after trying to teach first btw] that BTSX can implement a basket of commodities and till then we have bitGold... the name-calling was started and kept one-sided by fussy...

I will not suggest visiting an eye doctor in his case... much more serious treatment is needed, in my view.

[fussyhands]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121407#msg121407

He asked a question that could show you that gold is only volatile in terms of $ value .. not in terms of bitGLD value .. he wanted to point you towards the right direction such that you can figure it out your self .. don't take anything tony says personally .. (I made that error too)

Then I pointed out that gold is highly volatile in BUYING POWER, not just in terms of $ value.  That is a fact.  Go look it up if you don't know that already.  His response to that was to imply that I was an idiot, say he was "done with" me, and leave the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121447#msg121447

Someone who engages in ad hominem attacks and ends conversations whenever the FACTS don't agree with his ideology is an idiot.

[xeroc]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9333.msg121407#msg121407

He asked a question that could show you that gold is only volatile in terms of $ value .. not in terms of bitGLD value .. he wanted to point you towards the right direction such that you can figure it out your self .. don't take anything tony says personally .. (I made that error too)

[fussyhands]

Personally I've had a negative interaction with TonyK who seems to be a close minded ideologue.  When I pointed out that the buying power of gold is HIGHLY volatile (it is, go look it up if you don't think so) he started implying I was an idiot and then stopped talking to me.  Does not seem smart or interested in learning.

[xeroc]

I'd didn't even noticed that ... make it even more funny

[Mysto]

..
teach first, then insult might work.
..

How about 'teach first, never insult'?  Nobody really deserves an 'insult' treatment - unless we are talking about trolls and FUDs.

I think they are joking because tonyk said "I will try to be more teaching then insulting"
When he actually meant "I will try to be more teaching than insulting"

[cube]

..
teach first, then insult might work.
..

How about 'teach first, never insult'?  Nobody really deserves an 'insult' treatment - unless we are talking about trolls and FUDs.

[carpet ride]

I will try planting a seed here ... perhaps the Vegas conference BTS crew can take a group photo with tonyk in the middle?

[merockstar]

tonyk I'd hate to see you respond to this post in a way that prevents you from spreading your knowledge.

teach first, then insult might work.

also, after mulling it over, I dislike "I killed the banks" as well. I feel like it would be more appropriate after the banks die-- and at that point they've probably killed themselves.

I feel like it's a double edged sword. It could threaten those in power, but it's also controversial and seems like it could be a good attention getter too because how most people hate fucking banks.

[svk]

. I will try to be more teaching then insulting

Tonyk, would you also consider first insulting, just to get over it, and thEn more teaching?

I really did not get that.

Come on, I was so hoping to make you laugh at yourself for mixing up thEn and thAn at thEt particular point...

Actually - I am learning to appreciate your unique sense of humor and intelligent comments throughout the whole forum more and more by now, please keep going, very delightful!

Come on man than=then in my book, even the 'quality spelling' guys here have there thoughts spelled that way.

[edit] reading what you meant is indeed funny... LOL
teaching then insulting... (aka teaching followed by insulting, presumably the same person)

PS and you did make me laugh when I finally got it. Fixed btw in the original.

Keep it up tony, I love your style even though I too feel you might be a bit rough on the newbies

I tried to soften the blow in that original thread with Fuli although that "real good eye site" comment had me laughing out loud!

[tonyk]

. I will try to be more teaching then insulting

Tonyk, would you also consider first insulting, just to get over it, and thEn more teaching?

I really did not get that.

Come on, I was so hoping to make you laugh at yourself for mixing up thEn and thAn at thEt particular point...

Actually - I am learning to appreciate your unique sense of humor and intelligent comments throughout the whole forum more and more by now, please keep going, very delightful!

Come on man than=then in my book, even the 'quality spelling' guys here have there thoughts spelled that way.

[edit] reading what you meant is indeed funny... LOL
teaching then insulting... (aka teaching followed by insulting, presumably the same person)

PS and you did make me laugh when I finally got it. Fixed btw in the original.

[kisa]

. I will try to be more teaching then insulting

Tonyk, would you also consider first insulting, just to get over it, and thEn more teaching?

I really did not get that.

Come on, I was just hoping to make you laugh at yourself for mixing up thEn and thAn at thEt particular point...

Actually - I am learning to appreciate your unique sense of humor and intelligent comments throughout the whole forum more and more by now, please keep going, very delightful!

[tonyk]

. I will try to be more teaching then insulting

Tonyk, would you also consider first insulting, just to get over it, and thEn more teaching?

I really did not get that.

[edit] ok you think it is something I have to do (aka some kind of personal flow/desire)) that I MUST do first ... pretty said if you think so...

[kisa]

. I will try to be more teaching then insulting

Tonyk, would you also consider first insulting, just to get over it, and thEn more teaching?

[tonyk]

OK, here are my new rules, after considering your thoughtful advice:

I will restrain from posting any comments in response to anyone with less then 12 posts unless:

-It is in the newbie sub-forum/and or asking truly newbie question ; In such case I will be allowed to post links directing the poster to the appropriate wikie or other page I find explaining the issue in enough detail.

-Any post in any other area, even before 12 post. claiming he understands what he is talking about... is a fair game.

-Any direct attacks on Bitshares regardless the # posts is a fair game.

-Any other post, insulting my sensibilities (per my discretion) is a fair game.


2.Anybody with 12+ post, is a fair game (i.e.(s)he has been given  enough time to learn/ask questions)... I will try to be more teaching than insulting, on my part, but it is hard sometimes....

3.And generally 'No'. I do not intend to change my style and just sit when there is an issues that needs to be addressed... there are enough 'too polite' people here, to consider not providing the straight honest opinion on any issue of value. In the future if there are 5-10 -20people like me here, I will reconsider!


[edit] but wait reading my own rules, the only new thing is the arbitrary number of 12 posts...everything else is already enforced...

[liondani]

... my style does not include too much hugging,

lol

[tonyk]

I am truly disappointed that you dani needed that post to improve your opinion of me.

Fuck! i messed up again! Sorry man but I didn't mean my opinion was negative before that !!!  I suppose I should use the word.... "confirm"(?)...

I felt almost like this bear...
Strange but I wanted to hug you 

I was messing with you, doe  ... my style does not include too much hugging, so while I knew what it was, it did not click...
I actually enjoyed the previous post of yours- messing with my dislike for the "I killed the bank" slogan.

[liondani]

I am truly disappointed that you dani needed that post to improve your opinion of me.

Fuck! i messed up again! Sorry man but I didn't mean my opinion was negative before that !!!  I suppose I should use the word.... "confirm"(?)...

I felt almost like this bear...
Strange but I wanted to hug you 

[tonyk]

Regarding that company I wanted to start, first I renamed it, then more recently I gave up on it. So none of that I posted about matters anymore. I'll be staying a sole proprietorship until a better way to pivot comes up.

I guess I'm going to have to get used to you ridiculing my efforts.

I would suggest first thinking over your ideas before posting them... not that I follow my own rules, but anyway.
Reading my signature should also help..at least I put it there to explain some of my actions.

[FuLl]

Regarding that company I wanted to start, first I renamed it, then more recently I gave up on it. So none of that I posted about matters anymore. I'll be staying a sole proprietorship until a better way to pivot comes up.

I guess I'm going to have to get used to you ridiculing my efforts.

[tonyk]

merockstar>>is it really wise to drive away people who would buy in, enriching you and I?
-I try my best, buddy! Not necessarily successfully apparently, but I do try to avoid that.

...........

I  personally respected tonyk  more and could better profile him after this post 

Anyone want to try with a real response? This type of response is incredibly unattractive to new people like myself. BTSX is highly unprofessional if this is an example of how their community thinks.

Shadow, don't take it personally. And by the way, welcome. This forum provides an open exchange of ideas and there are all kinds of people on here. Even decent folks have good days and bad days. Tonyk is a good sort once you get to know him; we just throw him some raw meat every once in awhile and he stays in line for a few days.

LOL, truly a good one!
Laughing at oneself is indeed one of the best thing one can experience. And this post made me do that!
 

On the subject of 'raw' I do hope Bitshares Music comes with some more 'baked' and thought out  ideas, so they do not make another chapter of my future book...

 

I am truly disappointed that you dani needed that post to improve your opinion of me.
On the essence of the post -"Yes", I do believe people think too highly of themselves, IM[not so]HO... Which among other things prevents them from one of the biggest pleasures in life - Laughing  at themselves.

...................

Thanks, to everyone that thinks some of my post are funny, cause I do put some effort in attempting to be funny... from time to time.

No effort was needed in the following example, doe.

...........................


How I got my experation to post those unfortunate comments. Pay attention to the dates, please.

Hi,

I've been talking in another thread about how to set up a delegate node amongst other things, on a VPS running linux.  During that conversation it came up that it might be possible to run a delegate node in Windows. The thread is located here for those interested in having a look:

This is a good thing for me, since I already paid a fee to create my primary BitSharesX account as a delegate account If I were to have to create a new account to be a delegate & run on the linux box, I will have wasted my money on that delegate fee for my primary account.

Hi,

I'm starting a new company, and have created & registered an account in the BitSharesX client for it.

I'd like to issue an asset distribution in the form of tokens to be redeemed for services the company provides.

I see on another thread where the lending DAC is detailing how they'd distribute their currency, & I'm using that as a starting point when I'm determining how to distribute mine. Theirs is:
25% PTS
25% AGS
40% Open Market
10% Development

I don't understand PTS & AGS enough to know what it would mean exactly that I'm dedicating 25% of my issuance to these DACs. Does that mean that I'd distribute 25% of my 'NFS' tokens to these shareholders in a bulk distribution upon launch of my token?

My understanding of the 'Development' percentage is that I'd pay developers working on my company's coding todo list in NFS out of the allocated 10% of the NFS issuance. Is that correct?

I understand that the 40% 'Open Market' allocation means that only 40% of my NFS would be available to buy on the open market.

On the subject of the open market, how would people buy & redeem NFS? Would there be a section created in the 'Markets' part of the BitSharesX client where people could do this? I'm planning on integrating a Magento ecommerce backend on my website, & would like to sell NFS via that using the GoCoin plugin & accept BTC & LTC that way.

I imagine customers would have to run a BitSharesX client with which to receive & manage their purchased NFS. ie. holding Magento/GoCoin purchases, & redeeming NFS to my company's wallet in exchange for services. Is this understanding correct?

Please advise.

Thanks,
-F

Unfortunate comment from TK followed regarding 'a real good eye site’ correctly interpreted as eyesight ....

I have acknowledged my poor righting skills numerous times, but if you really want to know what bad English is, you must hear me talk...

[merockstar]

I love how I can always count on tonyk for an honest and unfiltered opinion. and I enjoy reading his posts.

But I agree with bitmarket too. tonyk, chill out on people a little, man.

is it really wise to drive away people who would buy in, enriching you and I?

[liondani]

I  personally respected tonyk  more and could better profile him after this post 

Anyone want to try with a real response? This type of response is incredibly unattractive to new people like myself. BTSX is highly unprofessional if this is an example of how their community thinks.

Shadow, don't take it personally. And by the way, welcome. This forum provides an open exchange of ideas and there are all kinds of people on here. Even decent folks have good days and bad days. Tonyk is a good sort once you get to know him; we just throw him some raw meat every once in awhile and he stays in line for a few days.

LOL, truly a good one!
Laughing at oneself is indeed one of the best thing one can experience. And this post made me do that!
 

On the subject of 'raw' I do hope Bitshares Music comes with some more 'baked' and thought out  ideas, so they do not make another chapter of my future book...

 

[fuzzy]

Tony makes me laugh...even when hes being an a$$hole.

Try not to get offended too easily though. It is just as easy to laugh about the fact that he has several spelling mistakes in the very same paragraph he is insinuating your idiocy

Tony is part of the family...u likely will be too once you get through the hazing phase

[FuLl]

I havent been keeping up. What exactly has he said that warrants an entire attack thread dedicated to him ?

... I'm new here, & this is among my first impressions of the BitShares community:

Why did you change you handle?
...

What are you referring to? I registered as FuLl originally. Am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Sorry, Chicken-brain-nes must be more widely spread, than my models suggested...

...I will update the models , if those findings are confirmed...

...In the meanwhile, are you positive you do not have wings and a real good eye site?

Apparently he decided I was someone he doesn't care for, without doing any due diligence to determine if I deserve this kind of treatment (as if _anyone_ does).

Seriously people, if I didn't believe in the project, I would've turned around & walked away never to return right then.

It's too bad you posted his comments...because I have to admit that their pretty damn funny (ROFL)...but sorry if you were offended.

(Laughing with you) But I think no one should have to deal with that when they're new to a community. It was a first in 15 years online.

btw: edited post above for clarity.

[GaltReport]

I havent been keeping up. What exactly has he said that warrants an entire attack thread dedicated to him ?

... I'm new here, & this is among my first impressions of the BitShares community:

Why did you change you handle?
...

What are you referring to? I registered as FuLl originally. Am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Sorry, Chicken-brain-nes must be more widely spread, than my models suggested...

...I will update the models , if those findings are confirmed...

...In the meanwhile, are you positive you do not have wings and a real good eye site?

Apparently he decided I was someone he doesn't care for, without doing any due diligence to determine if I deserve this kind of treatment (as if _anyone_ does).

Seriously people, if I didn't believe in the project, I would've turned around & walked away never to return right then.

It's too bad you posted his comments...because I have to admit that their pretty damn funny (ROFL)...but sorry if you were offended.  Sometimes their are trolls and haters that need battling and innocent parties get caught in the cross-fire.

[bitmarket]

Interesting thread. I should research this dude further...
But even before that I agree with all posts in the thread.
 

Hey Tony,

Thank you for taking my post in the constructive, well-intentioned tone it was meant.   I know you are a confident person who doesn't need compliments from me, but my thoughts of you just sky-rocketed.

As Stan and others have experienced, its only because I too have been called out for being curt so many times that I am sensitive to it.

Max.

[CoinHoarder]

There are people like TonyK in any cryptocoin community, or any community for that matter especially online. You shouldn't be on Internet forums or communities if you can't deal with people like this and have thick skin. His attitude is unfortunate sometimes, but I think we need to learn to deal with it, and move on about our days. If he really bothers you a lot just don't read his posts, but I don't think he should be banned or excommunicated based on his attitude. It would be great if he could tone it down a little bit, but some people will never change their ways and we need to accept that.

[FuLl]

I havent been keeping up. What exactly has he said that warrants an entire attack thread dedicated to him ?

... I'm new here, & this is among my first impressions of the BitShares community:

Why did you change you handle?
...

What are you referring to? I registered as FuLl originally. Am I misunderstanding what you mean?

Sorry, Chicken-brain-nes must be more widely spread, than my models suggested...

...I will update the models , if those findings are confirmed...

...In the meanwhile, are you positive you do not have wings and a real good eye site?

Apparently he decided I was someone he doesn't care for, without doing any due diligence to determine if I deserve this kind of treatment (as if _anyone_ does).

Seriously people, if I didn't believe in the project, I would've turned around & walked away never to return right then.

EDIT:
To clarify, I don't believe he should be excommunicated, as apparently he has redeeming value. I think a thread like this to bring the matter to his attention, is indeed appropriate.

[vegolino]

I learn all the time while reading this forum. There is a lot of really brilliant guys and I feel myself deeply honoured to be given a chance to read your conversations and discussions. I have been spending more and more time reading forum. Of course Tony is one of this brilliant minds, but he is also very very funny guy  who sometimes makes me laugh like I used to when I was a kid.
Aloha Tony 

[liondani]

after killing the bank we where close  to  kill tonyk as well 

[Agent86]

When is Vegas?

http://insidebitcoins.com/
Oct 5-7 (soon) Dan is giving a keynote

[donkeypong]

Brand newbies should not be pounced upon and degraded. I have not seen anyone do that on this forum, though perhaps I missed something. Newbies should be welcomed and informed so they can make the right decisions whether/how to make BitShares a part of their lives.

In my experience, Tonyk is a stand-up guy. He speaks his mind and is not afraid to challenge the establishment or make critical comments when he deems this to be needed. I don't hold this against him at all. In fact, I wish we had 20 more people who understand this system as well as he does (from a technical and financial standpoint) and are willing to challenge everyone to be the best they can. Tonyk made good on his promise to pay me for the picture of the $20 bill. And that money found its way to charity. It was Tonyk who suggested a worthy cause.

It's okay to be prickly sometimes.

[bitmeat]

When is Vegas?

[Agent86]

There are probably less than 100 forum members not on the main team that understand BitShares & BTSX well and take the time to engage on the forum and explain it to others. There are much less than that (20?) who also have a decent background in markets and trading. Those people are forum gems for BTSX in particular imo.

Unfortunately I'm not part of the second group but Tonyk is & he's one of the very few people that takes the time to help others. I often see him sending people BTSX to register & helping in the stupid question thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8390.0
Including assisting me & I wanted to tip him but he asked me to send it to Xeroc for the community development program. Even taking into account that he sometimes comes across as abrasive/sarcastic/arrogant, I would easily put him in the top 10 most valuable BitShares forum members myself. It would be a great loss if this thread discouraged one of the few BitAsset knowledgeable, active and helpful people on the forum.

Tony passed up a tip to ask that I get a tip.  I think tony knows a lot and is funny.  I like his sarcasm even when it is directed at me.
(example https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9115.msg118283#msg118283)

It's no fun if people can't get into it every now and again.  There will be some new users that like a forum where people don't hold back.

are you coming to Vegas, A86. Would love to meet you in person.

Yea, I'll make it.  I haven't got my flight yet but I'll get there, look forward to meeting you.

[hadrian]

This thread is actually really interesting. It's creating a paradox in my mind because I find myself agreeing with each post, even though this is contradictory.

So many viewpoints, all seemingly valid.

Empathy, tolerance and understanding are needed in this world. There's every point in having differing opinions, and criticism, because it can be constructive. If people could only be reasonable, there is no need for this to lead to serious conflict and fighting.

I reckon this forum as a whole is very balanced and reasonable, and this is great.

P.S. I started typing this, then had to do something before I could post it. I came back to see tonyk's comment:

Interesting thread. I should research this dude further...
But even before that I agree with all posts in the thread.
 

[tonyk]

There are probably less than 100 forum members not on the main team that understand BitShares & BTSX well and take the time to engage on the forum and explain it to others. There are much less than that (20?) who also have a decent background in markets and trading. Those people are forum gems for BTSX in particular imo.

Unfortunately I'm not part of the second group but Tonyk is & he's one of the very few people that takes the time to help others. I often see him sending people BTSX to register & helping in the stupid question thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8390.0
Including assisting me & I wanted to tip him but he asked me to send it to Xeroc for the community development program. Even taking into account that he sometimes comes across as abrasive/sarcastic/arrogant, I would easily put him in the top 10 most valuable BitShares forum members myself. It would be a great loss if this thread discouraged one of the few BitAsset knowledgeable, active and helpful people on the forum.

Tony passed up a tip to ask that I get a tip.  I think tony knows a lot and is funny.  I like his sarcasm even when it is directed at me.
(example https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9115.msg118283#msg118283)

It's no fun if people can't get into it every now and again.  There will be some new users that like a forum where people don't hold back.

are you coming to Vegas, A86. Would love to meet you in person.

[Stan]

Every once in a while bitmarket picks someone with great potential and sends him off to charm school.

I've been sent to that woodshed myself from time to time...

[Riverhead]

Interesting thread. I should research this dude further...
But even before that I agree with all posts in the thread.
 

 

[serejandmyself]

tony for president!

[38PTSWarrior]

You are helpful and friendly tonyk

[Agent86]

There are probably less than 100 forum members not on the main team that understand BitShares & BTSX well and take the time to engage on the forum and explain it to others. There are much less than that (20?) who also have a decent background in markets and trading. Those people are forum gems for BTSX in particular imo.

Unfortunately I'm not part of the second group but Tonyk is & he's one of the very few people that takes the time to help others. I often see him sending people BTSX to register & helping in the stupid question thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8390.0
Including assisting me & I wanted to tip him but he asked me to send it to Xeroc for the community development program. Even taking into account that he sometimes comes across as abrasive/sarcastic/arrogant, I would easily put him in the top 10 most valuable BitShares forum members myself. It would be a great loss if this thread discouraged one of the few BitAsset knowledgeable, active and helpful people on the forum.

Tony passed up a tip to ask that I get a tip.  I think tony knows a lot and is funny.  I like his sarcasm even when it is directed at me.
(example https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9115.msg118283#msg118283)

It's no fun if people can't get into it every now and again.  It's probably no fun to be on his bad side and some user understandably won't like it.  But there will be some new users that like a forum where people don't hold back.

[tonyk]

Interesting thread. I should research this dude further...
But even before that I agree with all posts in the thread.
 

[serejandmyself]

Свободу попугаям 

[sschechter]

I think the OP's main point is about not 'blowing the sale' of BTSX to newcomers.  What this means is not ridiculing new members who have expressed frustration with the software and are reaching out to help - even if that expression comes off as rude first.  Like it or not, the software is very buggy and needs a lot of work, and we as a forum need to recognize that and be willing to provide adequate customer service, rather than insults.  In this regard, I agree.  Otherwise, roam free (and continue to take down NuBits, lol).

[speedy]

I havent been keeping up. What exactly has he said that warrants an entire attack thread dedicated to him ?

Whatever it is, Im sure he's still making a great contribution to these forums.

[biophil]

I had a little laugh trying to imagine tonyk believing anybody to be a "precious gem."

I would also love it if tonyk would try to moderate his brash, abrasive style. However, I have to remind myself that he's the only one who can control his own reputation and if he wants to be a loudmouthed fighter, so be it. The reality is that he's not dumb, his opinions do usually have solid merit, and he seems to be here for the same reasons as the rest of us.

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[kisa]

Bitmarket, your friendly personality has got injured by Tonyk' direct style. Please get over it, you can't be friends with everyone. You are definitely welcome here on forum, just avoid trading insults with people who you don't like, ignore them or just learn from them. The differences might be personal characters, values, upbringing, or cultures. I appreciate Tonyk hints and trying to learn from them without putting any ego at stake... and please don't be afraid asking simple questions - that's important and someone will answer accordingly.

[Empirical1.1]

There are probably less than 100 forum members not on the main team that understand BitShares & BTSX well and take the time to engage on the forum and explain it to others. There are much less than that (20?) who also have a decent background in markets and trading. Those people are forum gems for BTSX in particular imo.

Unfortunately I'm not part of the second group but Tonyk is & he's one of the very few people that takes the time to help others. I often see him sending people BTSX to register & helping in the stupid question thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8390.0
Including assisting me & I wanted to tip him but he asked me to send it to Xeroc for the community development program. Even taking into account that he sometimes comes across as abrasive/sarcastic/arrogant, I would easily put him in the top 10 most valuable BitShares forum members myself. It would be a great loss if this thread discouraged one of the few BitAsset knowledgeable, active and helpful people on the forum.

[santaclause102]

I appreciate his presence here on the forum since he is a good contributor and I am sure a good guy. But his contributions would be equally beneficial content wise and a lot more beneficial overall if he would strip some of his posts of personal judgments.

[xeroc]

I find his posts refreshing. Maybe he is a bit too aggressive, but this forum is full of people trying to be extra polite and/or are cowards so that balances it out.

bitmarket has a point, but I love tonyk's presence in the threads where outside crypto communities come to fight

tonyk is truly open to other members and might sometimes choose words too harshly ..
Most times he is holding up to the netiquette though ..

[emski]

What you are asking from tonyk is basically "STFU" with "nicer" choice of words.
Usually you understand what he has to say even though his language might be on the extreme side. And sometimes his feedback is valuable.
Given the fact this is an internet forum without rules I think current conversations are pretty decent and most of them constructive.
I see no point in restricting someone's free speech (at this moment).

[toast]

I find his posts refreshing. Maybe he is a bit too aggressive, but this forum is full of people trying to be extra polite and/or are cowards so that balances it out.

bitmarket has a point, but I love tonyk's presence in the threads where outside crypto communities come to fight

[Thom]

I totally concur with the OP, very well put.

Before I saw this thread I just posted a comment along the same lines in another thread. But the OP here was more comprehensive and said all that needs to be said about tonyk.

To tonyk - hey dude like I know what it's like to be perceived as a guy who communicates with "rough edges" or at times even a "negative tone". It's similar feedback to the OP that helped me to see my communication needed to change. I hope you receive this input with my sincerest of hope you will take it to heart and be a bit more empathetic towards the people you interact with online.

[Chuckone]

I find his posts refreshing. Maybe he is a bit too aggressive, but this forum is full of people trying to be extra polite and/or are cowards so that balances it out.

I agree, some people are really annoying and spaming this forum, and Tonyk definitely brings something to the table in those cases. But new comers need to be dealt with respect and kindness.

[Chuckone]

What we need is an army of knowledgeable, up-to-date, patient, kind and open-minded people that would be on this forum around the clock (easier said than done) that could answer all the questions of the new comers. I know there's a wiki and other posts that probably answer all their potential questions, but sometimes people have very specific questions for which the answers have already been answered, but those answers are buried deep in the forum/wiki, and sometimes would require several hours of reading to get to it. Not very practical and new-user friendly.

And having the feeling of being welcomed is what is called in marketing "user experience". They will be back if they feel they have been answered properly and respected at the same time.

[sumantso]

I find his posts refreshing. Maybe he is a bit too aggressive, but this forum is full of people trying to be extra polite and/or are cowards so that balances it out.

[nomoreheroes7]

I hate to say it...but 

Perception is everything, and if people come here and see name-calling etc, that perception is forever tainted...

[bitmarket]

HI Tonyk,

I have no idea who you are or what you do. Like everyone else I have met in Bitshares, I am sure you are an invaluable member of the team, and a true rockstar at something. Perhaps your are a genius coder, or a legendary UI guy. And given the number of posts you have made you most certainly have been here longer than me.

What I am quite certain of though is that you are not a rockstar at anything to do with interacting with customers or prospects.

A person who was a rockstar at those tasks would know that it takes an enormous amount of effort and strategy to put out press releases, make videos, write articles, speak at meetups and do webinars in the hopes of introducing maybe 10,000 people to bitshares.

A rockstar at customer service would be aware that of those 10,000 people touched only about 500 would have their interest piqued. Of those only about 50 would have the spare time after going a to their job and playing with their kids to do any research at all, let alone read several posts/articles and watch videos.

Of those, after being frustrated by not being able to fully grasp these very new and difficult concepts, only about 5 would still be curios enough and courageous enough to post questions in public forum where they run the risk of ridicule.

And a rockstar would know that after all that hard work, to get those 5 curious and courageous people to get involved in bistshares after they have asked those questions would be as simple as being friendly, humble and patient as they connect the last few dots on this very large and difficult concept.

In short, a rockstar would treat those 5, like the hard-earned precious gems that they are.

So please, stop sabotaging bitsharesx by responding to new inquiries. That is a specialty job whose primary prerequisite is that the person is not accused of being a dick so often, that they feel the need to preemptively defend against those accusations in their signature.