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Offline Rune

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Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:07:15 PM »

Here are my suggestions, along with a short example of how you could use it to describe what the system is and why it is beneficial

Delegated Capital Allocation (DCA)
Delegates can be authorize to allocate capital on behalf of stakeholders to fund projects that will be profitable and generate a net return for the shareholders.

Delegated Fundraising (DF)
"Delegated fundraiser is a type of delegate that has been approved by shareholders to raise funds at a set rate to fund a specific project that is profitable and generates a net return for the shareholder."

Decentralized Internal Funding (DIF)
"DIF is the system a DAC uses to raise funds from shareholders to fund profitable projects that generate net returns for the DAC and shareholders."

Please post if you have any other suggestions, and post which one of the existing suggestions you prefer. Once we start to use a better term than the FUD inducing "share dilution", people will perhaps calm down.

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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 11:23:11 PM »
capital increase

Offline roadscape

Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 11:27:12 PM »
The Ripple Effect (TRE)
Maybe not a good one.

Capital Infusion (CI) - as per Dan
It describes what is happening, has a positive vibe.
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2014, 11:31:18 PM »
Capital Infusion.
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 01:58:23 AM »
Guys. In my mind it's not a dilution at all. The new BTS will now be rewarded with 20% dividends of all newly created DACs. This is fantastic.

I'm welcoming it, I think it is great! It also welcomes the latecomers, who donated to AGS and helped finance the building of the toolkit as well. I've seen so many posts on reddit and elsewhere of people reading about bitshares X and donating blindly to AGS, not realizing Feb 28th was already taken.

I'd call it, "DAC Dividend Buyout"

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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 02:08:57 AM »
Guys. In my mind it's not a dilution at all. The new BTS will now be rewarded with 20% dividends of all newly created DACs. This is fantastic.

I'm welcoming it, I think it is great! It also welcomes the latecomers, who donated to AGS and helped finance the building of the toolkit as well. I've seen so many posts on reddit and elsewhere of people reading about bitshares X and donating blindly to AGS, not realizing Feb 28th was already taken.

I'd call it, "DAC Dividend Buyout"

Weren't we also talking about issuing new shares in the future to fund growth? In my mind, the AGS/PTS/BTSX/VOTE merger is separate from the added ability to issue new shares in the future. Both are proposals being discussed.

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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 02:10:22 AM »
Weren't we also talking about issuing new shares in the future to fund growth? In my mind, the AGS/PTS/BTSX/VOTE merger is separate from the added ability to issue new shares in the future. Both are proposals being discussed.

I think issuing new shares should NOT be controlled by I3. I want to see a fair open market for projects, where shareholders can vote whether those should be funded. And other teams can compete side by side with I3 to implement changes.


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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 02:22:56 AM »
Weren't we also talking about issuing new shares in the future to fund growth? In my mind, the AGS/PTS/BTSX/VOTE merger is separate from the added ability to issue new shares in the future. Both are proposals being discussed.

How I understand it:
 - Dilution buys out AGS/PTS
 - Dilution buys out VOTE
 - Dilution buys out DNS

My impression is that there is only one proposal: Add dilution and buy out the competitors.
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 02:36:19 AM »
Weren't we also talking about issuing new shares in the future to fund growth? In my mind, the AGS/PTS/BTSX/VOTE merger is separate from the added ability to issue new shares in the future. Both are proposals being discussed.

How I understand it:
 - Dilution buys out AGS/PTS
 - Dilution buys out VOTE
 - Dilution buys out DNS

My impression is that there is only one proposal: Add dilution and buy out the competitors.

The capability for Dilution/ capital infusion based on shareholder vote will also be part of the model for the future BTS.  This capability will lie dormant unless there comes an opportunity to accuire additional assets or benefits for the company.  A pressing issue right now is marketing/business development funding for a project that is projected to return an ROI of 150% (if I remember correctly, it was the debit card offer)
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 02:40:46 AM »
How I understand it:
 - Dilution buys out AGS/PTS
 - Dilution buys out VOTE
 - Dilution buys out DNS

My impression is that there is only one proposal: Add dilution and buy out the competitors.

The capability for Dilution/ capital infusion based on shareholder vote will also be part of the model for the future BTS.  This capability will lie dormant unless there comes an opportunity to accuire additional assets or benefits for the company.  A pressing issue right now is marketing/business development funding for a project that is projected to return an ROI of 150% (if I remember correctly, it was the debit card offer)

Yes, I forgot to mention the debit card. Might have been a thought experiment but a clear use case.
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 02:40:53 AM »
Weren't we also talking about issuing new shares in the future to fund growth? In my mind, the AGS/PTS/BTSX/VOTE merger is separate from the added ability to issue new shares in the future. Both are proposals being discussed.

I think issuing new shares should NOT be controlled by I3. I want to see a fair open market for projects, where shareholders can vote whether those should be funded. And other teams can compete side by side with I3 to implement changes.

 +5% +5% +5% Absolutely. I don't think that's what was being discussed. Shareholders would vote on proposals.

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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2014, 04:46:12 AM »
I like "Delegated Capital Infusion" or DCI

Offline Thom

Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2014, 05:14:06 AM »
The new BTS will now be rewarded with 20% dividends of all newly created DACs.

That's the ticket! I wanna see this in writing in the official proposal we'll vote on.

What form will that 20% come in, shares, existing share value, deflationary burn? There are several options and I would like the proposal to be explicit.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 01:38:05 AM by Thom »
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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2014, 05:36:14 AM »
"Delegated Capital Infusion" or DCI

I like it.

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Re: Let's discuss what word to use instead of share dilution
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2014, 06:21:58 AM »
Democratic/Delegated/Decentralized
Share/Stake/Capital
Issuance/Infusion/Allocation

I like:

Delegated Capital Infusion

 

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