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why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« on: October 25, 2014, 10:11:27 AM »

all happy  right? :D

not AGS10%+PTS10%
not BTS20%

PTS  The earliest supporters
AGS  The most determined support   donate the AGS fund
BTS  The most valuable leading products
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 10:15:15 AM by sudo »

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2014, 10:24:02 AM »
换马甲了。
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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2014, 10:25:11 AM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).
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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2014, 10:25:57 AM »
It sounds good. I agree with you.
NEW 3rd DACs  honor  for it or not that is  not important but the Social Contract must be obey .
 +5% +5% +5% +5%

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2014, 10:51:23 AM »
I do agree with this advice.

In my opinion,
pts or ags can reduce some ratio because them will be apart of the bts, a little overlap.
If comfirm that ags is just a donation behaviour, the proposal is 10% pts & 10% bts.
Ratio is not the key point, just protect the earlier Consensus.

Dispute isnot just at ratio, but the honor is  'recommended' or 'must'?
ok, 'recommend'? keep disputing.

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2014, 10:51:48 AM »
Happy to do more than make a gesture.
Happy to continue to make the recommendation that any 3rd party developer that honors the original AGS/PTS should be honored and supported.  Two examples are BitShares Music and BitShares Play.   :)

But keep in mind the Ten Laws of the Crypto Universe.

Developers will do what they think they need to do to succeed.
And the Ten Laws will incentivize them to honor the strongest supporters.

We promise to compete aggressively according to those natural laws.
(A much more polite way of saying what you seem to want.)

Either way we intend to show PTS/AGS/BTS are three great ways for a new DAC to win.

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2014, 11:04:38 AM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).

far too complex?
post 11.5   pts snapshot and turn to a picture  similar with AGS
not liquid.
honor  10%+10%  for   repaying their support   at the beginning of the BTS  development career

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2014, 11:06:37 AM »
I do agree with this advice.

In my opinion,
pts or ags can reduce some ratio because them will be apart of the bts, a little overlap.
If comfirm that ags is just a donation behaviour, the proposal is 10% pts & 10% bts.
Ratio is not the key point, just protect the earlier Consensus.

Dispute isnot just at ratio, but the honor is  'recommended' or 'must'?
ok, 'recommend'? keep disputing.

pts or ags can reduce some ratio because them will be apart of the bts
 +5%

sounds reasonable


“ags is just a donation behaviour”  i can't agree that

without 3.3x btsx profits, how can  AGS fund  get  Much higher than the average donation In late February ?
No Pains, No Gains.  Without the expected return,how much people would donate? AGS fund may  shrink a lot than now.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 11:15:15 AM by sudo »

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2014, 11:21:56 AM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).

far too complex?
post 11.5   pts snapshot and turn to a picture  similar with AGS
not liquid.
honor  10%+10%  for   repaying their support   at the beginning of the BTS  development career

PTS/AGS WILL receive 10% of the new BTS DAC.   

Breakdown:

                   7% AGS&PTS
                   3% VOTE/DNS <-- (( if you were an AGS/PTS owner as of Aug you will received this also))
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                  10%  TOTAL
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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2014, 11:39:25 AM »
I really like one BitShares but I like looking at the other perspective.

100% BTSX.
BTSX shareholders vote to drop the X.
BTS make new forum, website etc.
BTS tries to make deal for VOTE, DNS, MUSIC etc.

BTSX already honoured social contract. BTSX is free to follow own path.


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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2014, 11:49:20 AM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).

far too complex?
post 11.5   pts snapshot and turn to a picture  similar with AGS
not liquid.
honor  10%+10%  for   repaying their support   at the beginning of the BTS  development career

PTS/AGS WILL receive 10% of the new BTS DAC.   

Breakdown:

                   7% AGS&PTS
                   3% VOTE/DNS <-- (( if you were an AGS/PTS owner as of Aug you will received this also))
-------------------
                  10%  TOTAL



That seems to be,but in the old Social Contract,PTS/AGS  may be get total 20% shares when  new 3rd DACs  honor  for .
But now,new 3rd DACs  honor  for BTS with 20% shares .

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2014, 01:47:02 PM »
I really like one BitShares but I like looking at the other perspective.

100% BTSX.
BTSX shareholders vote to drop the X.
BTS make new forum, website etc.
BTS tries to make deal for VOTE, DNS, MUSIC etc.

BTSX already honoured social contract. BTSX is free to follow own path.

then  btsx  donate a  btsx fund please
don't use  AGS fund   ok?

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2014, 01:56:58 PM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).

far too complex?
post 11.5   pts snapshot and turn to a picture  similar with AGS
not liquid.
honor  10%+10%  for   repaying their support   at the beginning of the BTS  development career

PTS/AGS WILL receive 10% of the new BTS DAC.   

Breakdown:

                   7% AGS&PTS
                   3% VOTE/DNS <-- (( if you were an AGS/PTS owner as of Aug you will received this also))
-------------------
                  10%  TOTAL



That seems to be,but in the old Social Contract,PTS/AGS  may be get total 20% shares when  new 3rd DACs  honor  for .
But now,new 3rd DACs  honor  for BTS with 20% shares .


The original Social Consensus still applies.  We just recognize ever-expanding ways to honor it.

Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2014, 02:04:02 PM »
I really like one BitShares but I like looking at the other perspective.

100% BTSX.
BTSX shareholders vote to drop the X.
BTS make new forum, website etc.
BTS tries to make deal for VOTE, DNS, MUSIC etc.

BTSX already honoured social contract. BTSX is free to follow own path.

then  btsx  donate a  btsx fund please
don't use  AGS fund   ok?

Yes if BTSX goes that way. It will use dilution, no fund needed. Thanks

(AGS fund very small compared to 10% dilution of BTSX even at $100 million CAP.)

I have equal AGS & BTSX %, so I like AGS too. I want one BitShares. AGS & PTS are just not competitive vs. Super DAC with key developer focus.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 02:09:17 PM by Empirical1.1 »

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Re: why not AGS10%+PTS10%+ BTS10% when NEW 3rd DACs honor for
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2014, 02:36:22 PM »
Because we need to roll it all together to simplify our story.   Our market story is far too complex for the general worldwide market we are positioning for.  With the new set up PTS and AGS each will effectively received 1% of the drop of a a much larger potential pie...... (many more partners).

far too complex?
post 11.5   pts snapshot and turn to a picture  similar with AGS
not liquid.
honor  10%+10%  for   repaying their support   at the beginning of the BTS  development career

PTS/AGS WILL receive 10% of the new BTS DAC.   

Breakdown:

                   7% AGS&PTS
                   3% VOTE/DNS <-- (( if you were an AGS/PTS owner as of Aug you will received this also))
-------------------
                  10%  TOTAL



That seems to be,but in the old Social Contract,PTS/AGS  may be get total 20% shares when  new 3rd DACs  honor  for .
But now,new 3rd DACs  honor  for BTS with 20% shares .


The original Social Consensus still applies.  We just recognize ever-expanding ways to honor it.



Thank you for stan. It looks really good. The original Social Consensus  still applies
It may be the language barrier  in the Chinese community .

 

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