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merockstar

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Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« on: November 12, 2014, 02:29:36 AM »

With 3i dissolving (right?) should we put together a BitShares foundation to try to protect trademarks and advocate for BitShares in similar ways that the Bitcoin foundation, or the GNOME foundation does?

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 02:32:03 AM »
Personally I am opposed to trademark.  I don't think we should attempt to use the violence of the state to protect our trademark.  What else could this foundation do?
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merockstar

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 02:38:26 AM »
Act to protect our interests where ever necessary.

Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

eh, you may be right. what could a foundation do that we can't already?

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 02:47:34 AM »
I would be fine with a legal defense fund, or an organization whose role is to help clear up the legal ambiguities involved in accepting crypto as specie, or complying with all of the other diktats of our overlords.

Preferably while the network itself is extending a big middle finger to the man.
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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 02:50:45 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.
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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 02:53:06 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.

I can definitely respect that point of view.

Now that I think about it, delegates might be able to serve any functions that the bitcoin foundation does for bitcoin anyway.

I just think we should to play nice with governments in order to expedite a quicker adoption. I would hate to see government clamps set cryptocurrency use in general back too many years, I still have some youth left.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 02:56:07 AM by merockstar »

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 02:54:47 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.


I can definitely respect that point of view.
I am however all for a foundation or organization or fund that will help people all over the world, do just enough to keep their local jackbooted thugs from throwing them in a cage and or shooting them.
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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.


I can definitely respect that point of view.
I am however all for a foundation or organization or fund that will help people all over the world, do just enough to keep their local jackbooted thugs from throwing them in a cage and or shooting them.

I think I agree with that too. What should we call that foundation?

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 04:13:59 AM »
I would be fine with a legal defense fund, or an organization whose role is to help clear up the legal ambiguities involved in accepting crypto as specie, or complying with all of the other diktats of our overlords.

Preferably while the network itself is extending a big middle finger to the man.

 +5% ^ THIS!
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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 04:25:40 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.


I can definitely respect that point of view.
I am however all for a foundation or organization or fund that will help people all over the world, do just enough to keep their local jackbooted thugs from throwing them in a cage and or shooting them.

I think I agree with that too. What should we call that foundation?

IMO more important questions are:
How do we fund it?
Who is responsible for the spending of those funds?  Multisig?
What legal counsel do we have in different jurisdictions to rely upon?
Are we able to provide simple pre-emptive legal counsel, or will this legal counsel be able to actually help individuals while they deal with legal issues?
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merockstar

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 04:30:41 AM »
Trademark may suck but if we're going to try to work with the legal system of different world governments then it's necessary that an organization exist that those governments can work with sort of as community representatives, no?

I have no intention of following the legal system of different world governments.  I plan on doing just enough to keep my local jack booted thugs from putting me in a cage, and or shooting me.  Beyond that I make no promises.


I can definitely respect that point of view.
I am however all for a foundation or organization or fund that will help people all over the world, do just enough to keep their local jackbooted thugs from throwing them in a cage and or shooting them.

I think I agree with that too. What should we call that foundation?

IMO more important questions are:
How do we fund it?
Who is responsible for the spending of those funds?  Multisig?
What legal counsel do we have in different jurisdictions to rely upon?
Are we able to provide simple pre-emptive legal counsel, or will this legal counsel be able to actually help individuals while they deal with legal issues?

Hmmm... perhaps on a case by case basis.
We collect community donations to use in instances where it's needed.
You and I puppies. We can do multisig, I'll hold one key you hold the other.
It could be a program to provide lawyers to people who end up needing them.
how about the later, since anyone needing pre-emptive legal counsel has plenty of planning time.

so that means we need to find an instance where an attorney can help promote crypto...

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 05:09:59 AM »
I would like at least one more respected member of the forum to join with us in control of the funds.

I am not sure that we should focus on legal defense.  Ultimately our goal is to grow bitshares market cap.

I would love to see a lawyer written guide to accepting BitUSd for different jurisdictions.  I would also love to see legal defense for those that follow this advice and still fall afoul of their local thugscrum.  I think that by providing advice up front and defense in the back we could convince people to join our cause.
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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 05:21:37 AM »
I just know the Bitcoin Foundation has been a royal mess. That happens when convicted felons and con artists are given key roles. My early stance would be 'no foundation', keep it decentralized with the delegates (some of whom will wield enough power to make proposals). But if someone has a foolproof idea for a Foundation, then I could be convinced to support it.

merockstar

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 05:23:46 AM »
I would like at least one more respected member of the forum to join with us in control of the funds.

I am not sure that we should focus on legal defense.  Ultimately our goal is to grow bitshares market cap.

I would love to see a lawyer written guide to accepting BitUSd for different jurisdictions.  I would also love to see legal defense for those that follow this advice and still fall afoul of their local thugscrum.  I think that by providing advice up front and defense in the back we could convince people to join our cause.

okay. so the first thing to raise funds for would be to pick a jurisdiction and commission a lawyer to write such a guide.

great.

step 1) get estimates from lawyers
step 2) see if the community is down
step 3) commission and publish book

merockstar

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Re: Should there be a BitShares foundation?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 05:34:05 AM »
Step 1)

Pick some lawyers who might be interested.

Any suggestions on a good way to go about that?

 

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