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Offline bytemaster

Imagine
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:05:36 AM »

I would like the forums help rewriting this song to capture my vision for the world:

1) Post contract society (ie: Agreements without enforcement via threats of violence)
2) Voluntary, No compulsion, Non Violence
3) No prisons yet justice through coordinated voluntary shunning
4) Banking freedom, no capital controls, no government intrusion, privacy...

I have put together some of my thoughts but am sure there are better song writers and poets among us.   Lets capture the vision of what we are doing here to change the world.

"Imagine"

Imagine there's no contracts
Nothing you must do
Nothing to sue or cry for
And no lawyers too
Imagine all the people
Living in freedom...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Imagine there's no punishment
It's easy if you try
No dungeons below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one


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Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract between myself and anyone else.   These are merely my opinions and I reserve the right to change them at any time.

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 10:07:47 AM »
BM has given up coding and now composing songs while walking up mountain trails.

We are all doomed!! Sell everything!!

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 10:11:22 AM »
 :D :D
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Re: Imagine
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 10:24:48 AM »
 :)
Imagine having this made into a youtube music video (John Lennon / Imagine music of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8 ), and how it could spread virally through the crypto / non-crpyto community to get the message out... imagine...

And time it to coincide with this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11243506/A-listers-assemble-for-largest-charity-singalong-of-John-Lennons-Imagine.html

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2014, 10:25:35 AM »
:)
Imagine having this made into a youtube music video (John Lennon / Imagine music of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8 ), and how it could spread virally through the crypto / non-crpyto community to get the message out... imagine...

And time it to coincide with this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11243506/A-listers-assemble-for-largest-charity-singalong-of-John-Lennons-Imagine.html

Imagine you read my mind...
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Re: Imagine
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2014, 10:36:28 AM »
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.

And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.

I have a contract saying that I own my house. This can be used to enforce its boundaries if my neighbors try to encroach my space.

I dont get your vision...
« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 10:40:20 AM by speedy »

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 10:44:07 AM »
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.

And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.

Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution.   In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent.   A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.     

I could go into an economic analysis of the situation... but imagine a solution exists that does not involve stealing from innocents to punish possible bad guys.   

Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man rot in jail.   

As far as immediate self defense goes... that is up to public opinion.  If jail is off the table then lawyers are optional.
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Re: Imagine
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 10:54:35 AM »
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.

And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.

Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution.   In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent.   A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.     

I could go into an economic analysis of the situation... but imagine a solution exists that does not involve stealing from innocents to punish possible bad guys.   

Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man rot in jail.   
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As far as immediate self defense goes... that is up to public opinion.  If jail is off the table then lawyers are optional.



WOW Just WOW

I Never thought you believe in that too.

For me personally, this is the at least the # 2 thing ( I do believe it is #1 but just to be on the safe side of stuff I say #2), and I try to push this through everybody's hard head!


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It sure is kind of strange that this song is totally opposite to my, and I am pretty sure, your core believes *, and it somehow strikes a chord for both of us... life is a weird place.

I like your lyrics, btw.


* Imagine no  possessions; implying that ownership is  the root of all evil;


« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 11:30:44 AM by tonyk2 »



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Re: Imagine
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2014, 11:16:13 AM »
Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution.   In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent.   A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.

So its not the imprisoning you object to, just forcing tax-payers to pay for the prisons? I will gladly pay taxes to lock away rapists. The fact that a small number of innocent people are prosecuted is not a good reason for objecting to a prison itself.

I agree that if you could come up with a viable alternative, that would be very creative indeed.

zerosum

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2014, 11:22:00 AM »
Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution.   In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent.   A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.

So its not the imprisoning you object to, just forcing tax-payers to pay for the prisons? I will gladly pay taxes to lock away rapists. The fact that a small number of innocent people are prosecuted is not a good reason for objecting to a prison itself.

I agree that if you could come up with a viable alternative, that would be very creative indeed.
Even one wrongly accused person in jail is a good enough reason for me, to declare the system not working, personally!
And the sad fact is the number is between 30% and 75% depending on the 'crime' we are talking about. Mainly because somebody is paid to just put somebody in prison for every other crime.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 11:50:57 AM by tonyk2 »

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 11:22:27 AM »
 +5% +5% :D :D
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Re: Imagine
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2014, 11:31:45 AM »
BM has given up coding and now composing songs while walking up mountain trails.

We are all doomed!! Sell everything!!

Lol lol indeed doomed !!!!

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Re: Imagine
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2014, 11:33:49 AM »
Imagine there's no drug laws
Everyone's free to get high
Imagine automation
And goods with a fair price
Minimum wage not needed
Those companies will just die
And everyone whose born here
Gets a little piece of the pie
Imagine all the people
Living in harmony

 

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