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Offline clayop

Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« on: December 16, 2014, 08:55:02 PM »

I have been running delegate campaign for over two months and still have to get more votes to become an active delegate.
Honestly, it is disappointing when I see many non-active delegates are on the 101 list, not publishing price feed nor actively communicate within the community. I do not want to blame them, just want to say we have better delegates on our standby list.

In my opinion, almost all of delegates posting here deserve to become 101 delegates, at least they are better than init delegates. They stay up to date with versions, contribute to community, and communicate with other members.

However, our community is still redundant to vote for good delegates. Interestingly, this problem is similar to what we have in democratic society, low turnout rate and inefficient vote.

So what should we do?

I think delegates are already put much effort on campaigning their bid and encouraging vote. This is not the problem.
Then, delegates should build up trust network. We should support other trusted delegates and be supported by them.
We already have a good tool for this purpose, "slate".

If possible, please show your support for other delegates and encourage your voters to refresh their vote as "vote as my delegate recommended". This will bring more good delegates into the 101 list and benefit our Bitshares community.

Delegates, unite!


PS. can someone translate it into Chinese if you think it's valuable?
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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 08:59:08 PM »
I've repeated over and over that most people are not voting to keep their funds safe.

Next version will have voter keys and we will start making voting a much bigger part of the culture.
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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 09:11:12 PM »
I've repeated over and over that most people are not voting to keep their funds safe.

Next version will have voter keys and we will start making voting a much bigger part of the culture.

Great. Thanks Toast!
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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 09:21:48 PM »
What frustrates me the most is seeing the _11_ init delegates not publishing feeds, pulling 3% fees.

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 09:26:14 PM »
that's really sad, i feel with you!

I've repeated over and over that most people are not voting to keep their funds safe.

Next version will have voter keys and we will start making voting a much bigger part of the culture.

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 09:26:28 PM »
I've repeated over and over that most people are not voting to keep their funds safe.

Next version will have voter keys and we will start making voting a much bigger part of the culture.

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Offline liondani

Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 09:41:34 PM »
What frustrates me the most is seeing the _11_ init delegates not publishing feeds, pulling 3% fees.

You gave me an idea...
They should implement a future that stop's paying delegates if  they don't publish at least x feeds per day... (independent of their payrate)
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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 09:41:47 PM »
I for example can not install / run .26 because
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Large memory requirements during re-indexing and resyncing. At least 4GB RAM is recommended (swap file is not sufficient). Less RAM can cause freezing and crashes
since my client with my funds is on a vm with max. 2gb ram. source: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/tag/v0.4.26
I didn't attempt to update it therefore.
If it is all easier and faster voting participation will also go up I think.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 09:43:19 PM by delulo »

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 09:50:00 PM »
I for example can not install / run .26 because
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Large memory requirements during re-indexing and resyncing. At least 4GB RAM is recommended (swap file is not sufficient). Less RAM can cause freezing and crashes
since my client with my funds is on a vm with max. 2gb ram. source: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/tag/v0.4.26
I didn't attempt to update it therefore.
If it is all easier and faster voting participation will also go up I think.

That wasn't actually true, you can re-index and sync just fine with 512mb RAM and a swap. Compiling is another matter though.
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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2014, 09:51:58 PM »
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You gave me an idea...
They should implement a future that stop's paying delegates if  they don't publish at least x feeds per day... (independent of their payrate)

Good idea. If delegates don't publish feeds, BTS earned should be burned as dividends maybe?

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2014, 09:57:43 PM »
I voted for you!

For community votes you need time, because all people need a feeling about you.

@toast a reminder pls publish feeds. I don't get it why you don't do it!

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2014, 10:19:41 PM »
We really need 1 website where we can browse delegates, click their names and have...

  • The mission of that delegate
  • Weekly, biweekly, monthly, etc. updates/results
  • Other delegate info such as pay rate, produce, missed etc.

It could easily be added to this.
http://www.bitsharesblocks.com/delegates

Hopefully svk would consider adding this. The forum is a great place to get elected but we need a place where we can see what the 101 delegates are up to.
^^^We need this. It's hard to keep track of all the people and what they are doing if you are not super active on the forums. Having everything organised in one place will help with voting.
Also a nice feature would be a delegate having the ability to recommend another delegate. So say on toast's or BM's delegate page they could have a list of other delegates they recommend.

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 01:38:54 AM »
I for example can not install / run .26 because
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Large memory requirements during re-indexing and resyncing. At least 4GB RAM is recommended (swap file is not sufficient). Less RAM can cause freezing and crashes
since my client with my funds is on a vm with max. 2gb ram. source: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/tag/v0.4.26
I didn't attempt to update it therefore.
If it is all easier and faster voting participation will also go up I think.

That wasn't actually true, you can re-index and sync just fine with 512mb RAM and a swap. Compiling is another matter though.
I have .24 atm. So the only way to update is compile newly right? So won't work?

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2014, 01:44:55 AM »
The voting is badly broken. Apparently, they're working on making it better.

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Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 10:03:50 AM »
Allowing collateral to vote would increase my weight quite a bit :)
I heard it's going to be included soon.

 

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