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Offline Hurlie

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Mining with ptsminer
« on: December 13, 2013, 05:59:47 AM »

Hello,

since 3 days I'm using ptsminer.
One on a windows machine at home and one at a Debian machine in the DigitalOcean cloud.
Both running with 4 cores and 4 threads

The output seems to be very minimal.
With both machines (and different payout-adresses) a haven't reach the minimal amount of 0.2pts for payout. (After these 3 days its about 0.1 pts each)
A have the following questions:

What does the output of ptsminer mean?

[MASTER] work received - sharetarget: 03ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffbeefde4d
[WORKER] collision found: 1277527 <-> 49057890 @ 44
[MASTER] submitted share -> SHARE
[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 06:50:03 | 4.1 c/m | 0.3 sh/m | VL: 3 (100.0%), RJ: 0 (0.0%)
, ST: 0 (0.0%)

1.
I thing the [STATS] explain the speed, but what is the exact meaning of the values?

2.
If the [MASTER] says: SHARE.
Shouldn't I see all these these values in beeeer.org?
In beeeer.org there are only 15 added blocks after 3 days. That seems to be to less.

3.
Is it a good choice, to use ptsminer, or are there better miners?

Can you pleas help me?

Sincerly yours,

Hurlie








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Re: Mining with ptsminer
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2013, 11:54:40 AM »
What does the output of ptsminer mean?
[MASTER] work received - sharetarget: 03ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffbeefde4d
This is the notification that work has been downloaded and received from the mining pool. The sharetarget value is the target for that share.

[WORKER] collision found: 1277527 <-> 49057890 @ 44
This is a notification that a collision has been found. I'm not 100% sure on what this means, so I'm not going to explain something to you which is likely wrong. Best to read up on collisions and how they work in cryptocurrency yourself.

[MASTER] submitted share -> SHARE
This is a notification that you have completed a share and have submitted it to the mining pool.

[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 06:50:03 | 4.1 c/m | 0.3 sh/m | VL: 3 (100.0%), RJ: 0 (0.0%)
, ST: 0 (0.0%)
These are indeed statistics about your current mining session. They will be updated as the mining client remains running and are all averages - they are not constantly updated. As a result it may be as long as 24hrs before these values are reliable - note that statistics are for each mining session and do not carry across if the mining client is halted for whatever reason.

The first block is the date/time.

The second block is how many collision per minute you are currently mining at. To give you some idea, my 4 core/8GB VPS on Digital Ocean is doing about 40c/m (so something is amiss in your setup to be only getting 4.1c/m).

The third block is how many shares per minute (on average) you are attaining - remembering that a 'share' is what gets you income from a mining pool.

These two values should be the highest they can be.

The last two values are the amount of shares accepted against the amount of shares rejected (not sure what the acronym VL means, but RJ stands for Rejected). Shares can be rejected for a numer of reasons and obviously this one should remain low (<10%) and the shares accepted value should remain high.

If the [MASTER] says: SHARE.
Shouldn't I see all these these values in beeeer.org?
In beeeer.org there are only 15 added blocks after 3 days. That seems to be to less.
A share is not a block - it is a share of a block. All the miners in the pool work away at the same block and they each get shares, depending on how much work they do. At the end of the block (or 'round') these shares are added up and the total amount of PTS you are entitled to calculated by how many shares you have achieved. For the rate you are mining at, 15 blocks in 3 days sounds about right.

Is it a good choice, to use ptsminer, or are there better miners?
ptsminer is the only miner usable with beeeeer.org at current (afaik). Try the miners listed at http://ptsweb.beeeeer.org/ as there are several versions of the Windows binaries. I use the binaries available here for my Windows boxes: http://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=234.msg9657#msg9657
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 11:59:35 AM by r05 »
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Re: Mining with ptsminer
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2013, 12:36:59 PM »
Hello R05,

Thanks for yout time and the detailed explanation.
You have given yout PTS-Address and I would like to thank you by a donation.
I'm new in the forum (what do you think, which amount is appropriate?)

No I understand the output of ptsminer much better.
But some things remain unexplainable.

This morging (at 8 pm) a have started ptsminer on a quicker machine with the following output:
( Here only a copy of the newest 4 [STATS] lines. I got a nearly equivalent output since (8 pm).
It must be over 100 lines).

[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 12:13:30 | 63.7 c/m | 1.0 sh/m | VL: 1082 (94.7%), RJ: 61 (5.3%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 12:17:08 | 63.8 c/m | 1.0 sh/m | VL: 1083 (94.7%), RJ: 61 (5.3%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 12:17:20 | 63.8 c/m | 1.0 sh/m | VL: 1084 (94.7%), RJ: 61 (5.3%), ST: 0 (0.0%)
[STATS] 2013-Dec-13 12:17:43 | 63.9 c/m | 1.0 sh/m | VL: 1085 (94.7%), RJ: 61 (5.3%), ST: 0 (0.0%)

The c/m seems to be ok for this machine (you get 40 c/m on DigitalOcean). VL is near to 100 and RJ is near to zero.
How you wrote, that these are a nearly good values.

One question: What is the meaning of ST?
(0.0 seems to be less.)

And another question:

Take a look at beeeer.org:

The most recent lines are:

32561 2013-12-13 12:07:59 66 / 94753 -> 0.01510 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32557 2013-12-13 11:47:33 281 / 539513 -> 0.01129 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32528 2013-12-13 10:01:22 287 / 466340 -> 0.01334 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32508 2013-12-13 08:29:59 1111 / 2326746 -> 0.01035 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations

There are only 4 lines in these 4 hours, so for only these lines a got income (when the blocks later are marked as added).

What has happened to all the other "shares" listet in the output of ptsminer.
There are more than 100 in these 4 hours.

Don't they reach beeeeer.org?
Or is the share to small to be added in the pool?

It`s a little bit frustrating.

Another thank for your help
(Dont forget to tell me the amount of the donation)

Hurlie
























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Re: Mining with ptsminer
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 01:43:57 PM »
Great - glad I could be of use :)
One question: What is the meaning of ST?
(0.0 seems to be less.)
I cannot answer that one I'm afraid, I don't know.. ::) Mine is 0.0% on all my miners as well.

Edit: the ST value is how many "stale" shares you have found as a number and a percentage. A stale share is a share that has already been found by another miner. Your share is therefore rejected, as it is the latest of the two identical shares.

Take a look at beeeer.org:

The most recent lines are:

32561 2013-12-13 12:07:59 66 / 94753 -> 0.01510 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32557 2013-12-13 11:47:33 281 / 539513 -> 0.01129 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32528 2013-12-13 10:01:22 287 / 466340 -> 0.01334 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations
32508 2013-12-13 08:29:59 1111 / 2326746 -> 0.01035 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations

There are only 4 lines in these 4 hours, so for only these lines a got income (when the blocks later are marked as added).

What has happened to all the other "shares" listet in the output of ptsminer.
There are more than 100 in these 4 hours.

Don't they reach beeeeer.org?
Or is the share to small to be added in the pool?

It`s a little bit frustrating.

Another thank for your help
(Dont forget to tell me the amount of the donation)

Hurlie
I think your interpretation of the beer page and how shares work is a bit misled; let me go over briefly how pool mining works with them - it might help fill in a few blanks.

When you get a share, the share is a share of the current round (the current block being worked on). If you get 1 share in a round (and this can happen in very small blocks) then you will get a payout at the end of the round equal to your 1 share. If you get 100 shares in a round, you will get a payout equal to 100 shares and so on. You can earn thousands of shares in a round and the more shares you do earn, the more you get paid. Your shares accumulate through the course of a round and all get added up at the end. Not all your shares will show up in the stats page on beer, only the statistics to do with the current block and how many shares in that block you have earned show up. The shares earned are added up to a total at the end of the round and that total is used to calculate how much PTS you receive. Let's look at one of your lines.

For example:

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32508 2013-12-13 08:29:59 1111 / 2326746 -> 0.01035 PTS / 21.68 PTS -> block waiting for confirmations

This line can be interpreted as follows:

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block-number   date   time   shares earned / total shares -> PTS earned / total PTS -> block status

This line says for block #32508, you earned 1111 shares out of a possible 2326746 in that round. That equates to 0.01035PTS earned out of a possible 21.68 PTS. In other words for block #32508, your miner mined 1111 shares which equals 0.01035PTS. If you earned more shares (with better hardware for example or more computers working) then you would get more overall shares in that round and a higher percentage of the payout.

So in short - the shares you see in the output of ptsminer get added up at the pool and used at the end of a round (when a block is found) to calculate how much PTS you get paid. Just because you don't see hundreds of lines on beer, doesn't mean the shares have gone missing - they are just being added up and displayed differently. Each line on the beer user stats page is a round - not a share. :) From the lines you've pasted, you have actually found 1745 shares across the four blocks. :) Not bad going!

I hope that clears it up for you a little.

With regards to a donation any amount is hugely appreciated. :) A pint of beer in the UK (where I'm from) costs roughly £1.60 which is 0.003BTC and 0.12PTS. :P
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 02:04:43 PM by r05 »
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Re: Mining with ptsminer
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 02:33:46 PM »
Hello r05,

thanks again for your time. (Donation is on the way).

Hurlie




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Re: Mining with ptsminer
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 02:39:12 PM »
Hello r05,

thanks again for your time. (Donation is on the way).

Hurlie
No problem - much obliged :)
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