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So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« on: January 24, 2015, 12:51:25 AM »

They might be right or wrong in some aspects but it's always good to learn how we can change.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/459085124197658/permalink/619154578190711/

If someone doesn't have a Facebook account, I'll post some comments here:

The answers were regarding this blog post about nubits:
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/13/NuBits-is-a-Ponzi-Scheme/

"FUD from Bitshares. This is an old argument, already made the rounds a few times now. Its pathetic when core members of one community attempt to attack others, and try to use their "legitimacy" to do so. It brings bad atmosphere to both coins."
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" I reside mainly in the bitshares community & Larimer got roasted by everyone for this post. He actually changed & edited it to make it less harsh; it was originally called 'Nubits is a ponzi scheme'.

Not to say his arguments arent valid or worth investigating, but bitshares has a history of shitting over other coins like Bitcoin so we need to start a more postive, co-operative model of marketing."
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"I can respectfully agree with that I believe professionalism is necessary to survive in a free market and plus its just in poor taste. But the argument is worth digging more into I think."
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"I read it. This is just a smear nubits, advertise bitUSD campaign. I will never, ever invest in something that uses negativity like that. Just me though."
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"Bitshares and the snapshots have screwed a lot of people over, sure, it is transparent if you know where to look. Did everyone know?"
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Most were made by the same person, that doesn't matter. Also, like I said before, some arguments might be right, others might be wrong, my point here is not to attack whoever criticized BitShares but to learn with that.

Valid points I agree with:

- BitShares "attacks" other cryptos. I don't take this literally, as I believe the posts are not intentionally trying to bash other cryptos like nubits or bitcoin, however people see it like that and that definitely affects us. In the past though, I kind of felt a "we are superior" vibe coming from here towards bitcoin. Once again, it doesn't matter if the technology is superior, what matters is don't need to focus on other cryptos, we just need to focus on BitShares and if possible, develop good relationships with everyone in the cryptoscene. I think we need to improve on that. Note that some people that bash bitcoins might do it in fact because they feel threatened, but that's definitely something we need to improve on - our relationships with other crypto projects and at the same time, focus  more on BitShares and not on what the competition is doing. If we develop a good product, in the end it will speak for itself.

- "Scarce Information". It may not be scarce, but from an outsider point of view it sure is as he can't find the info he is looking for without wasting time. That was mentioned regarding the snapshots. Although I do not agree because they were announced weeks before, there are still lots of important info scattered around. people need to hunt for information and for someone who doesn't check the forums regularly that just isn't possible. It was suggested in the past a number of timers to create an Announcement Section on the forum with important threads regarding updates, snapshots, etc, All in one place so it's easily accessible and someone can have a better idea of what's going on in 5m
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2015, 01:16:01 AM »
I think a lot of people are a little too emotionally invested. They are offended because somebody tried to point out a weakness that they didn't want to hear about?

Everybody needs to be handled with kid's gloves because you might offend the technology they believe in? If the arguments were inaccurate then a counterargument should be made.

It seems like a lot of the legacy cryptocoiners get offended if you don't say 'bitcoin is perfect in every way, nothing should be changed.'

Its almost like a religion and bytemaster has been accused of blasphemy for saying that maybe the earth revolves around the sun instead of the other way around. Either way, let's just ban telescopes so nobody will ever find out.

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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2015, 01:39:51 AM »
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

Humans are like that.  I don't watch football unless the Pittsburgh Steelers are playing.

Has anybody in this community heard of the "spin room"?

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A spin room, also known as spin row or spin alley, is an area in which reporters can speak with debate participants and/or their representatives after a debate. The name refers to the fact that the participants will attempt to "spin" or influence the perception of the debate among the assembled reporters. The benefit for reporters is that they quickly get in-person interviews with debaters or their representatives, complete with audio, video and photos. For a U.S. presidential debate, the number of reporters in the spin room can number into the thousands.  -- Wikipedia

As a community, we need to get out there and actively engage to help guide the spin others are placing on anything we say.

Admittedly, we could and should try to be more tactful, but we will inevitably slip up sooner than sooner.  And even if we don't there are people who will take things out of context and misrepresent them to others deliberately.

So there is no substitute to having a spin control team!

Some of us are out there attempting this already.  We all need to do more of it.
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2015, 02:00:56 AM »
I think a lot of people are a little too emotionally invested. They are offended because somebody tried to point out a weakness that they didn't want to hear about?

Everybody needs to be handled with kid's gloves because you might offend the technology they believe in? If the arguments were inaccurate then a counterargument should be made.

It seems like a lot of the legacy cryptocoiners get offended if you don't say 'bitcoin is perfect in every way, nothing should be changed.'

Its almost like a religion and bytemaster has been accused of blasphemy for saying that maybe the earth revolves around the sun instead of the other way around. Either way, let's just ban telescopes so nobody will ever find out.

Indeed, they are so emotionally attached to their crypto investments that they don't accept anything else other than their own coins. They don't accept a simple argument and the fact multiple coins can coexist, yet, they defend freedom. Screw logic right?
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 02:12:21 AM »
Its all about decisions and so far they have been good especially the one to increase iflation for delegates it takes tinme for market to realize... next decisions will all be based on community consensus which is also not priced in yet
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2015, 06:24:49 AM »
It's going to be much better once we get user-friendly client and websites. I will feel comfortable referring anyone to these, not just crypto enthusiasts. Most of them are already committed to one team or another. We pick off a few here and there, but basically a tribal mentality prevails where my coin is better than your coin.

I'm sick of it and I'm sick of trying to reason with them. It's not their fault our system has been so incomprehensibly complex, so changing, and at times too adversarial for their tastes. But most of them have formed some opinion of it, whether true or mistaken.

I look forward to finally being able to meaningfully reach out to outsiders who don't have this baggage. They don't care about the merger or what happened to PTS. They want to know HOW THIS HELPS THEM!

To be able to electronically send something of value that's dependably trustworthy, to anyone, anywhere in the world, instantly, and for almost zero cost? Oh, and it has a stable value and you can earn a return for holding it?

Holy shit, sign me up. Because that solves SEVEN problems at least and no one else has affordably combined more than two or three of those before.

This is disruptive. It is transformative. It is superior to anything else out there. We MUST be able to sell this to normal people. The other crypto people can hang onto their camps for now; they will catch on as the price increases.

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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2015, 07:15:07 AM »
I tried.
There really is no reasoning to be had.
One of the most prolific posters in that group (and in that thread) has no interest in fact-finding or learning and seems hell bent on capping the thread with a jab.
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2015, 08:48:45 AM »
worth repeating:

They want to know HOW THIS HELPS THEM!

To be able to electronically send something of value that's dependably trustworthy, to anyone, anywhere in the world, instantly, and for almost zero cost? Oh, and it has a stable value and you can earn a return for holding it?

Holy shit, sign me up. Because that solves SEVEN problems at least and no one else has affordably combined more than two or three of those before.

This is disruptive. It is transformative. It is superior to anything else out there. We MUST be able to sell this to normal people. The other crypto people can hang onto their camps for now; they will catch on as the price increases.

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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2015, 08:50:32 AM »
The first part of that whole message is typical how people react and take the first defensive posture when they have no real retort.

"You are wrong for asking questions.  Always being negative and bringing down others.  Must be jealousy."  Always strong on something wrong with you. That is because they have no answers and thats just the nature of people.  You'll see this over and over.

So then someone comes around and says "Guys, stop it! Don't attack others. See what people think." (They read the top of the thread )

Then the guys who didn't want their dirty laundry discussed are happy. They succeeded.

What is optimal for Bitshares?  No clue.  Probably a mixture of many things.  Patience is probably an important one, something I personally lack at times.

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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2015, 08:17:23 PM »
I see nothing wrong with smear campaigns against competing cryptos that are legitimately garbage (like nubits). It just has to be done right. People bring up that NXT's attempt at shitting on bitshares backfired, but that's because NXT is crap (monetary system lol) and bitshares actually has legit technology. It just has to wait for once we have enough resources to do it right, and can do it with proper timing (such as if nubits start increasing their interest rates). Negative ads work.

An ad on CMC that goes something like "Before you give them your money, remember that bitreserve, nubits, (other competitors) are centralized services with considerable counterparty risk. Only with bitUSD and bitGOLD is your money cryptographically secured with decentralized collateral." would help educate people on the different choices in pegged crypto while nudging them towards us.


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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2015, 12:40:56 AM »

What I think happened is that Dan made his blogpost then multiple people are reposting it there. Now I'm not sure if that is an orchestrated effort, but the active regulars see all these reposts and assume it is. So the post could be considered bad, but the problem is with all the reposts. People start assuming it is a plan with bitshares behind it.  I suspect that may be causing more negativity than anything.
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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2015, 12:44:32 AM »
The only purpose of communication is the result of the message, not the message itself.

In a marketing sense particularly it is to help others to take action. It is actually not the purpose to "be right", or to "prove a point", or "convince with logic". So it is pointless to quibble about other people's emotional or analytical flaws (which we all have by the way) and to say it is their fault they reject our point of view or that we don't get the feedback or results we would desire from those communications. As BM would surely agree, only we are responsible for that outcome, not others.

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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2015, 02:26:37 AM »
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

Humans are like that.  I don't watch football unless the Pittsburgh Steelers are playing.

Has anybody in this community heard of the "spin room"?

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A spin room, also known as spin row or spin alley, is an area in which reporters can speak with debate participants and/or their representatives after a debate. The name refers to the fact that the participants will attempt to "spin" or influence the perception of the debate among the assembled reporters. The benefit for reporters is that they quickly get in-person interviews with debaters or their representatives, complete with audio, video and photos. For a U.S. presidential debate, the number of reporters in the spin room can number into the thousands.  -- Wikipedia

As a community, we need to get out there and actively engage to help guide the spin others are placing on anything we say.

Admittedly, we could and should try to be more tactful, but we will inevitably slip up sooner than sooner.  And even if we don't there are people who will take things out of context and misrepresent them to others deliberately.

So there is no substitute to having a spin control team!

Some of us are out there attempting this already.  We all need to do more of it.


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Re: So apparently this is what some people think about Bitshares
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2015, 03:35:08 AM »
Haters gonna hate. Nubits people are either complicit or have no clue about economics.  When you are right about something call it what it is.

Good job averybody.

 

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