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Offline fuzzy


I have recently been asked to try to improve the viewership of our hangouts.  However, there is an issue that I have been trying to consider...and am not sure how to move forward. 

It seems that we have high demand for people to listen to the raw audio of the hangouts we have--before the edited versions can even be started.  I am nearly certain that those people who go to dropbox to download it do not contribute to the viewer count by listening to the finalized versions. 

I also want it open for others to record.  The reason for this is because I would like to keep hangouts as open as possible for others to potentially monetize by taking the content, editing it and making their own bitshares-related news platforms.  Essentially you could all create your own 10-15 minute youtube videos or podcast segments, or even written articles from the hangout content (which I personally view as "mini-conferences") and post it to your own sites.  Who knows, you might even be able to use Roadscape's open source code to get people to monetize it with bitAssets--helping to establish the foundation for a true economy.  You all are, after all, the DAC-Savvy investors who will drive the incentive for future BitShares-based chains being sharedropped!

It is already apparent that hangouts (miniconferences) are growing into something closer to full-fledged conferences...and I fully expect that trend to continue.    And your showing up at these basically equates to a free press pass for any interested in the content.  This is huge and cannot be understated!  Though I am not altogether certain how many people fully understand the value of us having our own free-to-attend, weekly conferences.

So all these things that we already offer, as you can see, tend to fly in the face of us being able to maximize viewership for our own sake...because these were intended to be completely open conferences with extremely low barriers to entry so as many people as possible could attend and report live from our hangouts/conferences.  This was hoped to help change the paradigm for how most conferences are currently run in the bitcoin/altcoin ecosystem. 

In fact, when Methodx came out with NullStreet and told of his hopes to make NullStreet a community-owned and run news/marketing platform, and expressed an intent to have the delegate use multisig to give power to the community on how to best spend the funds, I was so immensely pumped.  I immediately reached out thinking we might be able to finally get our community working on creating and advertising each others' content that was based off of our hangouts and future conferences.  So pumped in fact, that I even set up a NullStreet room with special privileges for the members/volunteers so they could begin having "secret sauce" meetings on how to move forward with planning. 

I had hoped that our DAC-Savvy investors would eventually begin using this content and propagating it, but it seems the best laid plans tend to never work as hoped.  This, of course, is to be expected.  So I pivoted.  I ran for a delegate (and got it in! thanks everyone who voted for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin, btw!) and immediately hired the volunteers who worked to make the hangouts sound more professional (thanks to Mira and Emailtooaj on this).  They are not paid enough in my opinion for the amount of work we will all need to do before the marketcap starts significantly rising, but at it is very appreciated nonetheless because we all understand how disliked the idea of "share dilution" is by many in our community. 

So now that I have expressed all that is on my mind, reaffirmed why we initially started this whole hangout/conference platform, my thoughts on how NullStreet and the community marketing teams could utilize our conferences to further legitimize BitShares and themselves as "the real deals", let me get to the question:

Should the Beyond Bitcoin crew be posting raw hangout content?  See the Poll above and give your opinions on any of what I have stated below. 
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2015, 06:06:56 PM »
I'm neutral on the idea.
I can understand it if people want to listen to it asap, although a days wait wouldn't kill anyone.

For my little bitshares page, it's better to wait for the soundcloud version, because it's easy to embed.
Maybe you could promote the embed function of soundcloud more.
Everyone who embeds it into their site, blog or whatever adds to your view counts.


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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2015, 06:13:59 PM »
I like both, edited and raw versions. When I can't make it to the conference call I listen to the lastest version on Soundcloud. I hope it grows as more and more shareholders listen in and later chime in during questions.

I do think it should be called Bitshares Hangouts.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 06:18:32 PM by bluebit »
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2015, 06:54:10 PM »
edited versio are nice for everybode to listen.

i just start with the dropbox version because of the big delay.

Offline onceuponatime

Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2015, 07:14:14 PM »
I'm neutral. If I miss the live hangout I wait for the edited version. But I presume there are many others who don't want to wait and appreciate being able to download the raw version.

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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2015, 07:57:13 PM »
I love having the raw option. If I couldn't make it live I will usually go for the raw download later that day. I only go for the edited content if I couldn't find the time to listen to the raw audio until the edited version is already uploaded.

In fact, I would go further and say it would be even better if we can get access to the raw content before the hangout even ends! :) That is possible if we were to do the Hangouts on Air integration with Mumble that Murderistic wanted to do at some point (where did he disappear to btw?). People could tune in 10 minutes late on the YouTube live stream and still watch from the beginning (and fast forward over the technical difficulty periods all the way up to the present live time).

That doesn't mean the edited content isn't still useful. People who aren't eager to get information ASAP can still get a lot of value out of listening to the nicely edited content (and those could have their own monetization strategies to pay for the editing costs and any other value added on top of the raw content).

Offline fuzzy

Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2015, 08:02:41 PM »
edited versio are nice for everybode to listen.

i just start with the dropbox version because of the big delay.

It is far more time consuming to properly edit content than you would think.  Shows like LTB do not have to worry about this because they do not have similar formats to ours.  They have a hangout whenever they want and have nowhere near the constraints and openness to the community's input.  I just hope you will take this into consideration :)

(edited out shentist's name--didn't want to come across as a dick.  but it is true.  an hour hangout takes approximately 3-5 times as long to edit, depending on the "ums" and "ahs")   


I love having the raw option. If I couldn't make it live I will usually go for the raw download later that day. I only go for the edited content if I couldn't find the time to listen to the raw audio until the edited version is already uploaded.

In fact, I would go further and say it would be even better if we can get access to the raw content before the hangout even ends! :) That is possible if we were to do the Hangouts on Air integration with Mumble that Murderistic wanted to do at some point (where did he disappear to btw?). People could tune in 10 minutes late on the YouTube live stream and still watch from the beginning (and fast forward over the technical difficulty periods all the way up to the present live time).

That doesn't mean the edited content isn't still useful. People who aren't eager to get information ASAP can still get a lot of value out of listening to the nicely edited content (and those could have their own monetization strategies to pay for the editing costs and any other value added on top of the raw content).

Youtube and those hangouts as far as the Mumble Group are concerned are the realm of Bitmarket and BitSharesTV.  We just talked about this the other day.  If BitMarket would like to set something up and stream live via BitSharesTV, however, he could become the very first LIVE Correspondent...

Like I have said a hundred times before, and will say again.  I'm in this to lift everyone up.  Trust me, when we go up 10x in marketcap, we will have plenty of competition...but it will not be from people with the original vision.  That is why you see me actively promoting this philosophy. 

Now I have to get back to editing!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 10:26:57 PM by fuzzy »
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2015, 11:36:52 PM »
Editing is pointless. Hangouts are supposed to be informational not a work of art.

Make them three hours long and post immidiatelly.

In order to make the hangouts more inclusive move them to google hangouts or skype. You're not going to have random people come in on the air so forget about this mumble contraption.

Have guests scheduled in advance and have questions ready. Take additional questions from the chatroom. Prevent dead air and you wont have the need to edit and  'clean up'. 
It'll require preperation and hard multitasking but you are the one to do it.

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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2015, 11:41:02 PM »
Editing is pointless. Hangouts are supposed to be informational not a work of art.

Make them three hours long and post immidiatelly.

In order to make the hangouts more inclusive move them to google hangouts or skype. You're not going to have random people come in on the air so forget about this mumble contraption.

Have guests scheduled in advance and have questions ready. Take additional questions from the chatroom. Prevent dead air and you wont have the need to edit and  'clean up'. 
It'll require preperation and hard multitasking but you are the one to do it.

I think that they should be a work of art if we are going to post the link to reddit and tweet it to the world. Excellent marketing (even to our own community).

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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2015, 12:01:38 AM »
Editing is pointless. Hangouts are supposed to be informational not a work of art.

Make them three hours long and post immidiatelly.


I agree with this 100%. The longer they are the better :)

Bitshares.TV needs to become like World Crypto Network where they have the main show and then sub-shows on different topics, live on Google hangout with guests and all.
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2015, 12:18:22 AM »
I think that they should be a work of art if we are going to post the link to reddit and tweet it to the world. Excellent marketing (even to our own community).

Has an audio hangout ever gone viral anywhere?
Yeah, you can make a short snippet out of something particularly enticing (though I don't know what that would have to be) but not the whole show.

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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 12:44:41 AM »
I like both but go for the RAW whenever it's out.
Let's keep it a little bit more professional for the potential investors and users out there. (I enjoy the intro music)

One idea that may help us get more viewership would be to post our audio on BitShares Youtube Channel.

I look at my youtube subscription newsfeed way more often then soundclouds and it's a easy additional "rod in a new pond" for more exposure.

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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2015, 12:47:23 AM »
I think that they should be a work of art if we are going to post the link to reddit and tweet it to the world. Excellent marketing (even to our own community).

Has an audio hangout ever gone viral anywhere?
Yeah, you can make a short snippet out of something particularly enticing (though I don't know what that would have to be) but not the whole show.

beyond bitcoin mumble is basically intended to be a conference center.  So in that light, the question i have is should we edit the conferences (termed hangouts at the present small scale) or not? 

So i guess the question is, "what do bitcoin conferences do with the footage from their speaking engagements?"

The answer to that, i think, is that they keep them, charge people extra to have special press passes in order to record... keep the content under their ownership, edit it and sell it/post it for their own profit. 

If we are hoping to make it so we dont force people to pay for press passes... If we also want to turn it on its head so others can use the content for their own crypto news networks and monetize it in a decentralized manner, what do we do?

These are the questions at hand.  Just trying to steer the conversation back in the right direction. Continue onward!
« Last Edit: February 09, 2015, 12:56:07 AM by fuzzy »
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 01:36:05 AM »

IMO whether or not to post the raw shows depends on how long until the edited one it out.  Waiting 24 hours is different from waiting 3+ days.  Unfortunately the show is on Friday so I don't necessarily think someone should spend Friday night/Saturday morning editing the show.  So perhaps posting the raw shows is better?

Really though, you aren't changing the viewership at all not posting the raw edits, you're just forcing people to use a way to view them.  I used to find it very unmotivating to edit the show when lots of people had already listened to it, but if people are being paid then this is less of an issue.
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Re: Thoughts about Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts...(please give your opinions)
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 02:24:28 AM »

IMO whether or not to post the raw shows depends on how long until the edited one it out.  Waiting 24 hours is different from waiting 3+ days.  Unfortunately the show is on Friday so I don't necessarily think someone should spend Friday night/Saturday morning editing the show.  So perhaps posting the raw shows is better?

Really though, you aren't changing the viewership at all not posting the raw edits, you're just forcing people to use a way to view them.  I used to find it very unmotivating to edit the show when lots of people had already listened to it, but if people are being paid then this is less of an issue.

i guess this is true if postin them to the same place instead of linking to them in dropbox/forums.. 
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