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Review Methodx and pc delegates
« on: May 20, 2015, 09:50:28 AM »

Methodx: No longer being controlled btyMethiodx and used for different purpose that what it was voted in for. This undermines the whole voting process.

pc: Working 6.5 hours a month and collecting almost 150k Bitshares. Much better to have dilution delegates, collect the amount and hire developers later when price is good.

I suggest downvote both, if anyone cares. There seems to voter apathy here.

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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2015, 09:56:54 AM »
@pc: he is a really valueable player... and joined the  dev team .. do you really think this would make sense now?
(To be correct ... for 150k then he was working 19.5 hours -- if you calculate the normal hourly rates of a dev like him ... he is still underpayed)


@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...

So i'm disagreeing about downvote them ...

my 2 cents
« Last Edit: May 20, 2015, 02:18:01 PM by cass »
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 09:58:06 AM »
There seems to voter apathy here.
I wouldn't call this vote apathy .. I know for a fact that the funds that go to pc, and the delegates pay of method-x are used in a usefull manner. Hence, I do not vote them down. And it seems most shareholders still see more value coming in from them as being spend on them.

The fact that 150k BTS are worth just a few bucks doesn't really count .. it isn't their fault .. and in contrast to many many others on the forum, they really deserve the money IMHO
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2015, 09:58:53 AM »
@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...
Maybe we could have official clarification .. because I though the funds are send to datasecuritynode to fund bitsharesmining
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2015, 10:00:41 AM »
@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...
Maybe we could have official clarification .. because I though the funds are send to datasecuritynode to fund bitsharesmining

this would make sense …
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2015, 10:21:15 AM »
The fact that 150k BTS are worth just a few bucks doesn't really count .. it isn't their fault .. and in contrast to many many others on the forum, they really deserve the money IMHO

It is a few bucks now, so it is pointless paying market rates at this moment.

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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2015, 10:48:39 AM »
It is a few bucks now, so it is pointless paying market rates at this moment.
So don't pay them at all?
I for myself can't ask any active members to be as generous as I am and not get paid at all .. That's btw .. undermining the profitability of bitshares ..
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2015, 11:52:13 AM »
pc: Working 6.5 hours a month and collecting almost 150k Bitshares. Much better to have dilution delegates, collect the amount and hire developers later when price is good.

Just yesterday I spoke with BM on skype, and I can tell you that this month I'll put more than 6.5 hours into BitShares.
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2015, 12:09:02 PM »
@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...
Maybe we could have official clarification .. because I though the funds are send to datasecuritynode to fund bitsharesmining

last I heard:
Methodx sent remaining funds to Cass for LimeWallet, and Riverhead repurposed this delegate to fund bots.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.msg195361.html#msg195361
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2015, 12:38:20 PM »
It is a few bucks now, so it is pointless paying market rates at this moment.
So don't pay them at all?
I for myself can't ask any active members to be as generous as I am and not get paid at all .. That's btw .. undermining the profitability of bitshares ..

There is a full dev team. You think another 6.5 hours is essential?

pc: Working 6.5 hours a month and collecting almost 150k Bitshares. Much better to have dilution delegates, collect the amount and hire developers later when price is good.

Just yesterday I spoke with BM on skype, and I can tell you that this month I'll put more than 6.5 hours into BitShares.

I am not asking you to put more hours in than what you're getting paid for. I was wondering if it was better to come back when you can be paid for a significant number of hours.

@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...
Maybe we could have official clarification .. because I though the funds are send to datasecuritynode to fund bitsharesmining

last I heard:
Methodx sent remaining funds to Cass for LimeWallet, and Riverhead repurposed this delegate to fund bots.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.msg195361.html#msg195361

You can't simply repurpose like that. I am not against how it is currently being utilized, I am against voting it in after saying one thing and then changing it. Its dangerous.

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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2015, 01:25:51 PM »
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There is a full dev team. You think another 6.5 hours is essential?

Maybe yes..


Maybe no..


but if you ask me I would always prefer more coding, even if it was only half an hour.


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You can't simply repurpose like that. I am not against how it is currently being utilized, I am against voting it in after saying one thing and then changing it. Its dangerous.
There is no way to stop this from happening by "good guys" or "bad guys"  but we can instantly vote them out if we want. Stopping a good delegate from doing this change doesn't guarantee us that the "bad guys" won't try to abuse this, voting is our weapon and we are using it.

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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2015, 01:39:30 PM »
I brought this up 6 weeks ago and got the Stan spin...

What I do not like so much is delegates leaving and 'handing' off their position to someone else. Do we not have a way for a 100% delegate to reduce his or her pay? If you are hired, and you decide to move on, it would be nice if you reduced your pay to 3% and continue signing blocks, inform everyone and ask to be voted out.

Another way your could choose to look at it is that, as we grow, delegates are destined to become small businesses funding perhaps several people to accomplish their tasks.  Under that model, people might come and go while the business remains in good graces.  If that is not philosophically objectionable to you, then having delegates find someone to "take over" for them on the mission they were hired to do (as a proto-business) seems like it could be perfectly natural.

Voter apathy stems from the issue that there are only a couple of voters like BM, the Chinese exchanges, and a whale or two who have the instant power to put someone in or out of the top 101, the rest of our votes are insignificant and so campaigning for or against someone has become inconsequential and in some cases unpopular.

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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2015, 01:49:43 PM »
In the end .. @pc also gets paid to read into existing code, familiarize himself with the architecture and maybe someday become a full-time dev ..
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2015, 01:51:04 PM »
Voter apathy stems from the issue that there are only a couple of voters like BM, the Chinese exchanges, and a whale or two who have the instant power to put someone in or out of the top 101, the rest of our votes are insignificant and so campaigning for or against someone has become inconsequential and in some cases unpopular.
Just like democracy .. though, would you not go vote for your local government?

Also ... again ... BitShares is a company .. NOT a democracy ..
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Re: Review Methodx and pc delegates
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2015, 02:35:43 PM »
@methodx: AFAIK this funds are redirected to riverhead to get more liquity for the trading bots ...
Maybe we could have official clarification .. because I though the funds are send to datasecuritynode to fund bitsharesmining

No, we are not getting funds from that delegate. The only funds powering minebitshares at present is our own 100% minebitshares-reloaded, 100% delegate.rgcrypo, and 12% from fuzzy.beyondbitcoin.

I am going to shamelessly do it again like I did in a thread that got started like this yesterday.. since people are going to be running to the vote area, it will be a good time to vote in the other delegates we need for MineBitShares. We deliver measurable results on a daily basis. If you want to put your vote where you know it is hard at work delivering new users and increasing the market cap for BitShares, then vote for these delegates:

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minebts3.bunkermining-com
minebts4.bunkermining-com
minebts5.bunkermining-com
minebts6.bunkermining-com

You can see our proposal link here: http://vote.bunkermining.com

It would be nice if these delegates that have passed by and did something with their current positions were more vocal about it.. actually if you want that problem solved.. give a thumbs up to delegate.dposhub-org that will bring accountability and clarity to the whole delegate system.. even the new one coming! :)

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