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Offline bytemaster

AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« on: January 01, 2014, 06:15:59 AM »

Who ever sent this payment to the Angel Address is probably not going to get the AGS they expect.


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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 03:59:15 PM »
Did they use a mixer?

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 09:38:55 PM »
Sorry, Why are they not going to receive they AGS they expect?

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 09:42:45 PM »
Sorry, Why are they not going to receive they AGS they expect?

Unless they own all the input addresses and wanted to pay 20 different people at the same time as their donation then it may be a problem.   To me it looked like a mining pool payout where the pool owner controlled the private keys.

I suppose someone could have some batch processing script and just added the AngelAddress to the mix, but it looks odd.
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »
Suppose this guy owns all the input addresses, how are the AGS shared when there are multiple inputs? Equally divided among all the inputs or proportional to the input amounts? Although this transaction looks much more like from an online wallet, in which case the online wallet is going to get the AGS, I guess.

Another question is I suppose it should be valid to donate from a single address multiple times, and doesn't matter on a single day or multiple days. If on a single day then the total should be counted towards the shares of that day, and on multiple days then each day is just individually calculated. Please confirm if this is correct. Thanks.

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 08:55:30 PM »
Suppose this guy owns all the input addresses, how are the AGS shared when there are multiple inputs? Equally divided among all the inputs or proportional to the input amounts? Although this transaction looks much more like from an online wallet, in which case the online wallet is going to get the AGS, I guess.

Another question is I suppose it should be valid to donate from a single address multiple times, and doesn't matter on a single day or multiple days. If on a single day then the total should be counted towards the shares of that day, and on multiple days then each day is just individually calculated. Please confirm if this is correct. Thanks.

We assume all input addresses belong to the same user in the same wallet.  We thus randomly pick one to assign the full donation to.

Yes, each day is individually calculated.
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2014, 10:53:56 PM »
I'm a bit confused, can somebody explain this?  I made a donation this morning with Protoshares-Qt of exactly 2 PTS.  I went to the coinplorer page to verify my payment to see that there are two addresses on my donation line.  One address I recognize as an address I created for receiving payouts from my mining pool.  The other address I did not create.  Is this an internal address created by the Protoshares client? Does Protoshares internally manage which addresses should be used to send payment?  How am I supposed to guarantee a payment if I'm not sure which address I sent it from?

It gets more confusing when I click on the transaction page.  Why does input and output add up to greater than 2?  Where did this extra money come from, and where did it go to?
https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/c5872e6c8e4b1e7a3371654597b82e54902fdb217bf92e1e57db34b703a6d751

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 12:13:17 AM »
I'm a bit confused, can somebody explain this?  I made a donation this morning with Protoshares-Qt of exactly 2 PTS.  I went to the coinplorer page to verify my payment to see that there are two addresses on my donation line.  One address I recognize as an address I created for receiving payouts from my mining pool.  The other address I did not create.  Is this an internal address created by the Protoshares client? Does Protoshares internally manage which addresses should be used to send payment?  How am I supposed to guarantee a payment if I'm not sure which address I sent it from?

It gets more confusing when I click on the transaction page.  Why does input and output add up to greater than 2?  Where did this extra money come from, and where did it go to?
https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/c5872e6c8e4b1e7a3371654597b82e54902fdb217bf92e1e57db34b703a6d751

Thanks,

Scott

Everything is working as expected.  Every transaction includes inputs from your wallet and will have 2 outputs, one for 2 PTS and the other for what ever change should be sent back to your wallet.   
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2014, 03:37:23 AM »
I'm a bit confused, can somebody explain this?  I made a donation this morning with Protoshares-Qt of exactly 2 PTS.  I went to the coinplorer page to verify my payment to see that there are two addresses on my donation line.  One address I recognize as an address I created for receiving payouts from my mining pool.  The other address I did not create.  Is this an internal address created by the Protoshares client? Does Protoshares internally manage which addresses should be used to send payment?  How am I supposed to guarantee a payment if I'm not sure which address I sent it from?

It gets more confusing when I click on the transaction page.  Why does input and output add up to greater than 2?  Where did this extra money come from, and where did it go to?
https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/c5872e6c8e4b1e7a3371654597b82e54902fdb217bf92e1e57db34b703a6d751

Thanks,

Scott

The other input address you do not recognize is created by wallet to receive change. Both addresses are under control by you wallet. So as long as you have this wallet, you are good to redeem AGS.
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 11:46:35 PM »
Thanks for clarifying
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2014, 03:11:34 AM »
As a new purchaser of Angelshares, where can I see a record of my purchase?

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2014, 03:18:13 AM »
As a new purchaser of Angelshares, where can I see a record of my purchase?
http://www1.agsexplorer.com/  check in Balance
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2014, 09:00:23 AM »
I'm a bit confused, can somebody explain this?  I made a donation this morning with Protoshares-Qt of exactly 2 PTS.  I went to the coinplorer page to verify my payment to see that there are two addresses on my donation line.  One address I recognize as an address I created for receiving payouts from my mining pool.  The other address I did not create.  Is this an internal address created by the Protoshares client? Does Protoshares internally manage which addresses should be used to send payment?  How am I supposed to guarantee a payment if I'm not sure which address I sent it from?

It gets more confusing when I click on the transaction page.  Why does input and output add up to greater than 2?  Where did this extra money come from, and where did it go to?
https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/c5872e6c8e4b1e7a3371654597b82e54902fdb217bf92e1e57db34b703a6d751

Thanks,

Scott

I met the same problem.

I checked my AGS balance on http://www1.agsexplorer.com/ using all the addresses found in my wallet and found the total number is not match, I donated 7 PTS but all my addressed added are shown only 6 on the site.

I then checked my translation and found one translation has an input which is not exist in my wallet:
https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/9e8b75771a386f20d9685027c285a2ec5c0ada72c7c07bc94b02a9ccca246af1

I guess this might be the 'wallet auto-generated address for change" as bytemaster indicated.


I want to know whether this 'hidden address' would also claim my AGS?

I think it's hard to know how many AGS my wallet would have because all the addresses in my wallet are not "all" that I have, it's confusion and weird...


Is it possible to calculate all my AGS just using my visible addresses? Interesting to know.

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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2014, 09:02:32 AM »
I have a bounty out for a tool that will report your balance given your PTS and BTC wallet files.  No one has claimed that but someone said they were working on it.
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Re: AngelShare Pay To Many - Be Careful!
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2014, 09:49:03 AM »
Just tried, if you try to add a 'wallet hidden address" to your address, the wallet will alert message:

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New sending address
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The entered address "Pcem5N9LoFaEbpX2kuRu4amSkbDDi4aw64" is already in the address book.
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OK   
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Better to update the message to clear indicate that's a wallet hidden address, or that could be a bug??

 

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