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Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« on: January 25, 2014, 06:43:28 PM »

What do you think the price of a single Bitshare will be once it is launched?
How did you reach this conclusion?
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2014, 08:30:09 PM »
Idk, if BitShare is actually Bitshares AGS and Protshares merged (4M in total thus) I would say it would be worth what that bitshare respesent.

I readed before they wanted to implent bGold, where one bGold would be worth 1 oZ of gold if it would follow the market price.

Therefore its hard to say, but I think I will supprass litecoin because of divident system and there will be only 4M in existance instead of 25M (if correct, again).

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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2014, 08:39:54 PM »
When Invictus deliver, even owning a handful of bitshares will prove rewarding. There is much to accomplish but I believe in Invictus.

Using the PTS and AGS price, I estimate they are currently around 15 USD. In my opinion they are severely undervalued.

On launch I will not be surprised by $100+ USD.





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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 09:29:39 PM »
Idk, if BitShare is actually Bitshares AGS and Protshares merged (4M in total thus) I would say it would be worth what that bitshare respesent.

I readed before they wanted to implent bGold, where one bGold would be worth 1 oZ of gold if it would follow the market price.

Therefore its hard to say, but I think I will supprass litecoin because of divident system and there will be only 4M in existance instead of 25M (if correct, again).

That is true
THe scarcity of Bitshares should cause the price of a single Bitshare to be really valuable.
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 11:09:14 PM »
The argument that is always made is against merchants accepting Bitcoin for payment is its volatility.

What no one is talking about yet is that Bitshares solves this problem - merchants can simply accept BitUSD as payment (and receive a great 5% interest on all their sales deposits).

Perhaps you just need one big merchant to do this, and who knows what could happen to the price...
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 06:53:36 AM »
The argument that is always made is against merchants accepting Bitcoin for payment is its volatility.

What no one is talking about yet is that Bitshares solves this problem - merchants can simply accept BitUSD as payment (and receive a great 5% interest on all their sales deposits).

Perhaps you just need one big merchant to do this, and who knows what could happen to the price...
I agree. I feel that to be able to use BitCurrencies for everyday payment is the key. But it depends on legality and that will be o big problem.

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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2014, 09:01:47 AM »
The argument that is always made is against merchants accepting Bitcoin for payment is its volatility.

What no one is talking about yet is that Bitshares solves this problem - merchants can simply accept BitUSD as payment (and receive a great 5% interest on all their sales deposits).

Perhaps you just need one big merchant to do this, and who knows what could happen to the price...
I agree. I feel that to be able to use BitCurrencies for everyday payment is the key. But it depends on legality and that will be o big problem.

I honestly don't think that legality will be much of a problem in the long run. If enough people in a given country want something it doesn't matter what the government says the will of the people will always triumph. This needs to be developed and released as soon as possible though.
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 01:05:01 PM »
What about the exchange rate of BTS to BTC? Does anybody want to speculate on what that may be?
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2014, 05:39:09 PM »
What about the exchange rate of BTS to BTC? Does anybody want to speculate on what that may be?

Please correct if wrong.
Before the AGS funding round PTS was traded at 0.03 BTC, then every PTS would be awarded with 1 BTS. And there would be 20 million.

The average daily BTC donation, prices AGS under 0.01BTC.

So not taking in to account that BTS is more scarce, and assuming BTS release would take 200 days (unlikely) This would be a factor 3 ROI.

This is a very low estimation, but I don't like to be over optimistic with investments. Also BTS should be considered the first dividend payout. There will be multiple BTS chains and DAC's which should pay at least 10% to the AGS holders.
 
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2014, 06:33:59 PM »
What about the exchange rate of BTS to BTC? Does anybody want to speculate on what that may be?

Please correct if wrong.
Before the AGS funding round PTS was traded at 0.03 BTC, then every PTS would be awarded with 1 BTS. And there would be 20 million.

The average daily BTC donation, prices AGS under 0.01BTC.

So not taking in to account that BTS is more scarce, and assuming BTS release would take 200 days (unlikely) This would be a factor 3 ROI.

This is a very low estimation, but I don't like to be over optimistic with investments. Also BTS should be considered the first dividend payout. There will be multiple BTS chains and DAC's which should pay at least 10% to the AGS holders.

And remember, that assumption is very conservative for only if you are trying to sell BTS right away. The longer after release the better deal it becomes because of the scarcity factor you are ignoring, because the new BTS will not be devalued down by 90% over time.

You can basically plot a function of time that would produce a multiplier for how much better the new allocation is in terms of BTS per PTS, it would start at 3x converge to something higher
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2014, 06:47:25 PM »
What about the exchange rate of BTS to BTC? Does anybody want to speculate on what that may be?

Please correct if wrong.
Before the AGS funding round PTS was traded at 0.03 BTC, then every PTS would be awarded with 1 BTS. And there would be 20 million.



You mean 4 million BTS

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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2014, 07:02:43 PM »
What about the exchange rate of BTS to BTC? Does anybody want to speculate on what that may be?

Please correct if wrong.
Before the AGS funding round PTS was traded at 0.03 BTC, then every PTS would be awarded with 1 BTS. And there would be 20 million.





You mean 4 million BTS

before: 20m
after: 4m
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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 07:06:24 PM »
Ok sorry got it !!

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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2014, 02:31:14 PM »

Folks,

I still have a few questions about this valuation information:
* When will Bitshares start trading, and could this be delayed?
* Will protoshares cease to exist at that time, having been converted to Bitshares?
* As far as people that really understand this stuff, what is your target position for how much you be your target holdings?.  For example when the funding round closes, what percentage of your capital will be Bitcoin vs protoshares vs angel shares?  Is anyone going mostly all in with angel shares?
* Will the security of Bitshares be equal to the Mining of Bitcoin?
* Once the financing round closes in a few months, would, or could there ever be any more Bitshares put into the economy?
* Still struggling to understand who is paying this Bitshare interest.  What controls how much this will be?  Will it be the amount if interest and activity in futures contracts?

Thanks!

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Re: Estimated Price of 1 Bitshare
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2014, 03:20:17 PM »

Folks,

I still have a few questions about this valuation information:
* When will Bitshares start trading, and could this be delayed?
* Will protoshares cease to exist at that time, having been converted to Bitshares?
* As far as people that really understand this stuff, what is your target position for how much you be your target holdings?.  For example when the funding round closes, what percentage of your capital will be Bitcoin vs protoshares vs angel shares?  Is anyone going mostly all in with angel shares?
* Will the security of Bitshares be equal to the Mining of Bitcoin?
* Once the financing round closes in a few months, would, or could there ever be any more Bitshares put into the economy?
* Still struggling to understand who is paying this Bitshare interest.  What controls how much this will be?  Will it be the amount if interest and activity in futures contracts?

Thanks!

Brent Allsop
Nobody knows the date of start. It depends on development. Maybe 3-5/2014?

Protoshares will not cease to exist ever. Holders will get 10% stake in any other DAC released by Invictus or based on Invictus software and released by 3rd party.
Bishares just spoken about are only the first chain with first 16 assets. More independent chains with different assets will be released step by step. The chain has space limit in MB.

The rest I don't know or I am not able to explain with my English.

 

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