BitShares Music

[FuLl]

...Just a thought:

What's to prevent someone from charging a ransom for incriminating recordings?

I imagine it would only be a matter of time until such a use case found its way to reality.

Is that something that the DAC is prepared to facilitate?

If someone were to integrate their scheme with Maidsafe's 'immutable files' function, it could be a cash cow for rogue papparatzi, whistleblowers, & organized crime.

How could such actions be prevented programmaticly?

-FuLl

[VoR0220]

https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin

I was listening to this (from 38:10 to 41:00).  Adam B. Levine is talking about his ideas relating to music using blockchain tech.
Time-stamping uploads of songs, using tokens to rate songs. Creating various charts and setting it up so the platform distributes tokens to most successful songs etc.
The consumer doesn't provide money, but acts as a curator to determine popular or highly rated songs.

Is there anything here which could be adopted by Bitshares music which hasn't been considered already?

+5% that's what I've been saying!

[hadrian]

https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin

I was listening to this (from 38:10 to 41:00).  Adam B. Levine is talking about his ideas relating to music using blockchain tech.
Time-stamping uploads of songs, using tokens to rate songs. Creating various charts and setting it up so the platform distributes tokens to most successful songs etc.
The consumer doesn't provide money, but acts as a curator to determine popular or highly rated songs.

Is there anything here which could be adopted by Bitshares music which hasn't been considered already?

[toast]

BUMP. 
Has there been any discussion regarding AGS/PTS distribution yet?

IIRC it was 25%/25% AGS/PTS  =D

[yellowecho]

BUMP. 
Has there been any discussion regarding AGS/PTS distribution yet?

[masterofmyself]

Regarding the worry about "song pirating" - can there be public and private key encryption that would enable a user/listener to access the song with a public key only when he or she has either bought a share or paid a subscription for the service?

Also, will there be ways to give band's "top fans" incentives like discounted merch, early buy ticket access, etc.?

[donkeypong]

Man, are they just throwing anything and everything onto Mastercoin? It's like starting a city and letting people build wherever and however they want. How long before their piggyback blockchain space fills up with crud?

[CLains]

"Come celebrate with Tatiana, DJ Stoopkid, and the Mastercoin Foundation crew the start of a new era in the industry for artists, musicians and producers to use Bitcoin for responsible music sharing, marketing and financing. We will be announcing "Tatiana Coin", the first ever artist metacoin using the Mastercoin Protocol. Listen to some great music and free drinks from your hosts. Want more info on Tatiana Coin and to be updated on all the latest news? Go to www.tatianacoin.com"

x)

[CLains]

Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

As with most gifted entrepreneurs, they are just waiting for the right timing to make their move.    :)

Cedric is Cob on the forum, he has been posting for a while.

+5% +5%  :D

[trebor]

Sorry guys you need to send much more donations before they produce anything. And even than you can't expect much. Maybe big party in Las Vegas but I'am not so sure that any of you donors will be invited.
Sorry for trolling but one month with no new snapshot of even one DAC is too much. Early birds are sucking hard.  Soon 1 BTC will be enough for all 5000 daily produced AngelShares.

[bytemaster]

Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

Cedric is Cob on the forum, he has been posting for a while.

[Stan]

Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

As with most gifted entrepreneurs, they are just waiting for the right timing to make their move.    :)

[CLains]

Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

[luckybit]

Here is an interesting article about a band taking BTC donations for a Torrent song. The band in this article would be much better served by the Bitshares Music DAC. Of coourse, they don't know that yet.

http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/

That hiphop group is getting a lot of attention but are they really good?

The one thing I can take from this, integrate Bitshares music into Bittorrent.

Bittorrent integration could be key for marketing and simple as hell. 15 minutes of coding could help Bitshares music.

[donkeypong]

Here is an interesting article about a band taking BTC donations for a Torrent song. The band in this article would be much better served by the Bitshares Music DAC. Of coourse, they don't know that yet.

http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/

[Stan]

Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen.

Who's on the team?

I've got to save something for the newsletter or no one will read it...   :)

[JA]

Could we make the same Concept for TV Series or just Videos ?
Maybe over time it would create many interesting Channels

[toast]

That piques my interest!

[yellowecho]

Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen.

Who's on the team?

[Stan]

Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen.  It will soon be the model that all the other teams will be trying to match.  They definitely deserve a sub-forum.

[jwiz168]

Okay - BTS Me and BTS DNS  just got their own sub forums.  Where's the love for BTS Music?  This is a very attractive DAC let's give it some love.

+1   8)

[toast]

If it's not under development, it shouldn't be under "Development" harr harr

I don't think anyone is actually writing code for it. If anything Lotto should have a subforum.

[bitbro]

Okay - BTS Me and BTS DNS  just got their own sub forums.  Where's the love for BTS Music?  This is a very attractive DAC let's give it some love.

[toast]

Or just a hash of the song file. But checking that the song you're listening to requires you to check against the actual audio of all the previous songs to make sure it didn't get ninja-d. Of course you could incentivize finding ninjas and then you would have someone just throw some AI at it and problem solved.

[G1ng3rBr34dM4n]

Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

Speaking from an implication perspective (not a coder): I don't think it would be too hard to upload of "proof of song [origin]" into the blockchain to prove you're the original artist.  Maybe something as simple as a fingerprint of the audio profile in a pdf would suffice?

[cob]

Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.

Every sale generated by every website using the Bitshares Music Blockchain is where your dividends come from.
You will NOT receive dividends from itunes sales or CD sales or concert ticket sales.
BUT!
Bitshares Music aims to undercut itunes since it cuts out a gazilion middlemen... have you heard of micro-payments by any chance? (:

[Troglodactyl]

Also, there are ways to use reputation and word of mouth to establish which of two submitters of the same song is likely to be the actual creator.  In this system, there is no advantage to choosing the other instead of the artist.  Identifying the artist's submission and investing in it will be more profitable than either "ninja-ing" someone's songs, or investing in ninja'd songs.

[CWEvans]

Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.

For a service provider, yes. BitShares Music is a good brand for Dan's underlying technology, but appending "Bit" and "coin" to one's retail brand is starting to feel as groovy ".com".

With regard to the attack suggested above, I met with some Haitian-Americans here in Miami a month or so ago, who told me that some artists in Haiti have huge fan bases, but that they do not have enough money to pay for a doctor's visit. While the temptation to ninja a Madonna song might be high, one would have to be a real unpleasant-person to rip off some guy in a tent city trying to scratch together a living.

[luckybit]

"Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.

[speedy]

Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.

[cob]

Well Bitshares Music will be the back end of websites running on top of it.
The pandora/8track/groveshark-ish website that allows you to create a profile and upload your songs will have a few mecanisms in place to garantee that a song (and all the songshares) was uploaded by the correct artist / band / record label.
You have the market for starters. People will not invest in a song that could just get ignored once the real celine dion tweets that Mario69 is not the one singing in my_heart_will_go_on.mp3
So the market/investors will want to make sure they are putting their cash in the place that will produce the most ROI.
Second is the Flag/report button. This could make the jukebox ignore the song and skip it, until the issue is resolved.
Third you could have a "verified account / profile". So when the song has a green check next to it, it's because the uploader proved that he or she is the content creator (or the record company that has the rights to Beach Boys - Surfing USA)

Does this make sense?

[smiley35]

Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

I think what he's saying is what is to stop me from claiming to be lady gaga and selling share's in "my" new song?

[toast]

Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

[bitbro]

What I mean is, any song can be ripped and retitled -- will artists really benefit?

[toast]

"Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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[toast]

There is no notion of "pirated song". Songs are intended to be copied.
What's being "pirated" is the exchange, so buy up shares of your song on all exchanges that are significant when you lauch.

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[bitbro]

Just watched the intro video to the upcoming DACs.  Thank you, Daniel and team.

Question about Bitshares Music; What's to stop Person B from from copying Person A's song, producing a new chain for the same song and then selling shares in the pirated song?