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BitShares Music
« on: March 03, 2014, 12:47:09 AM »

Just watched the intro video to the upcoming DACs.  Thank you, Daniel and team.

Question about Bitshares Music; What's to stop Person B from from copying Person A's song, producing a new chain for the same song and then selling shares in the pirated song?

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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 12:59:28 AM »
There is no notion of "pirated song". Songs are intended to be copied.
What's being "pirated" is the exchange, so buy up shares of your song on all exchanges that are significant when you lauch.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 01:02:17 AM »
"Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 01:02:57 AM »
What I mean is, any song can be ripped and retitled -- will artists really benefit?

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 01:11:36 AM »
Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?
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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2014, 01:34:33 AM »
Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

I think what he's saying is what is to stop me from claiming to be lady gaga and selling share's in "my" new song?

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 04:38:26 AM »
Well Bitshares Music will be the back end of websites running on top of it.
The pandora/8track/groveshark-ish website that allows you to create a profile and upload your songs will have a few mecanisms in place to garantee that a song (and all the songshares) was uploaded by the correct artist / band / record label.
You have the market for starters. People will not invest in a song that could just get ignored once the real celine dion tweets that Mario69 is not the one singing in my_heart_will_go_on.mp3
So the market/investors will want to make sure they are putting their cash in the place that will produce the most ROI.
Second is the Flag/report button. This could make the jukebox ignore the song and skip it, until the issue is resolved.
Third you could have a "verified account / profile". So when the song has a green check next to it, it's because the uploader proved that he or she is the content creator (or the record company that has the rights to Beach Boys - Surfing USA)

Does this make sense?
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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 05:36:16 AM »
Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2014, 02:05:14 PM »
"Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2014, 02:22:36 PM »
Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.

For a service provider, yes. BitShares Music is a good brand for Dan's underlying technology, but appending "Bit" and "coin" to one's retail brand is starting to feel as groovy ".com".

With regard to the attack suggested above, I met with some Haitian-Americans here in Miami a month or so ago, who told me that some artists in Haiti have huge fan bases, but that they do not have enough money to pay for a doctor's visit. While the temptation to ninja a Madonna song might be high, one would have to be a real unpleasant-person to rip off some guy in a tent city trying to scratch together a living.

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 02:54:35 PM »
Also, there are ways to use reputation and word of mouth to establish which of two submitters of the same song is likely to be the actual creator.  In this system, there is no advantage to choosing the other instead of the artist.  Identifying the artist's submission and investing in it will be more profitable than either "ninja-ing" someone's songs, or investing in ninja'd songs.

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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 04:35:40 PM »
Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.

Every sale generated by every website using the Bitshares Music Blockchain is where your dividends come from.
You will NOT receive dividends from itunes sales or CD sales or concert ticket sales.
BUT!
Bitshares Music aims to undercut itunes since it cuts out a gazilion middlemen... have you heard of micro-payments by any chance? (:
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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 10:27:38 PM »
Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

Speaking from an implication perspective (not a coder): I don't think it would be too hard to upload of "proof of song [origin]" into the blockchain to prove you're the original artist.  Maybe something as simple as a fingerprint of the audio profile in a pdf would suffice?

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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 11:08:43 PM »
Or just a hash of the song file. But checking that the song you're listening to requires you to check against the actual audio of all the previous songs to make sure it didn't get ninja-d. Of course you could incentivize finding ninjas and then you would have someone just throw some AI at it and problem solved.
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Re: BitShares Music
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 02:10:09 AM »
Okay - BTS Me and BTS DNS  just got their own sub forums.  Where's the love for BTS Music?  This is a very attractive DAC let's give it some love.

 

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