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看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« on: March 15, 2014, 07:11:10 AM »

看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动。大家的看法如何呢?BM想推高pts的价值。



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AGS holders are not diluted by this at all as the value of their 10% is independent of the 10% held by PTS holders.   It will affect the PTS/AGS price ratio, but not the BTC/AGS price ratio. 

On the other hand stopping inflation of PTS and making AGS liquid at the same time may add value to both parties positions and would dramatically simplify the understanding of our ecosystem.  The benefits might be a win for all.   

I think we may have a good plan here if we can get enough community buy-in.


Ok, so to clarify, this proposal is to fork PTS into a TaPOS chain, with a total supply of 4 million, and genesis block consisting of a current PTS snapshot scaled up to 2 million, along with 2 million current AGS state.  Is this correct?

If that's the plan, the question would be how exactly to rework the PTS side of the AGS donations.  Either the daily BTC donation reward could absorb the PTS allocation, or the time frame could be extended.

First of all, this is just a wild idea and not a throughly thought out plan.   But if we were to make such a move we could probably do one of three things:
 
   a) Wait until 200 days of AGS is over.
   b) End AGS early (increasing the value of existing AGS at the expense of necessary funding)
   c) End AGS early and assign unallocated AGS to the development fund as part of the new chain.  As it would now be liquid we could simply sell it into the market rather than auction it like we are doing with AGS.  The proceeds from this sale could then be added to the development fund just as if AGS had continued to auction off the positions.  In fact, we could automate the sale of the AGS payout without changing the auction dynamics at all. 

In the event that PTS were to suffer an attack or 'die' between now and the end of AGS then would simply take a snapshot of the chain.   However, with the plans and things we have in the pipe I doubt the PTS price will remain suppressed for much longer. 

Now lets make one thing clear about this discussion as I know certain individuals abhor any changes.   I want community feedback on any changes with a focus on maximizing value of existing shareholders stake.  If it is not a clear win for everyone then I will not consider it.
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 08:13:15 AM »
看不太懂 你翻译翻译啊

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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 09:12:49 AM »
之前不是说50%了吗?怎么又变成10%了?谣言?

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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 09:57:37 AM »
我感觉无论是用第二点还是第三点,都会被人喷死的。即使抛开涉及到的利益冲突不说,出尔反尔就会非常地让人厌恶。

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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 10:05:03 AM »
技术没有,总想着别人口袋里的钱
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 12:04:39 PM »
我感觉无论是用第二点还是第三点,都会被人喷死的。即使抛开涉及到的利益冲突不说,出尔反尔就会非常地让人厌恶。
主要是兑换过BTS之后用PTS得到的AGS的应用,在兑换过BTS之后 还剩下不少AGS,其实还是有一部分人仍然把手中的PTS、BTC捐给3I再换这些AGS的。看BM这样的说法应该是要顾及这些后期将PTS捐出然后得到AGS人的利益。如果按照后期分红来说后期捐献PTS的人无疑获利较小,这是不公平的,所以BM想方法对AGS的获利进行修改。
其实他一开头也说了,这只是个疯狂的想法,并没有经过谨慎的考虑,详细的计划,他们应该不会这样做。但这点可以反映出他们也正在为后期没有得到BTS兑换的AGS感到烦恼。
其实后期的AGS获利可以这样分配,将后面BTSX之后的 BTSXT ...之类的分红更多与后期的AGS挂钩,这样就会有一部分人再次愿意买进PTS换AGS,这样一来可以推动PTS的价格,也可以平衡前期AGS与后期AGS的获利。
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 03:35:02 PM »
改来改去确实不好,特别是牵扯到很多人的利益。 怪不得这两天AGS捐赠突然又变多了,大家对改动还是有预期啊
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 03:59:57 PM »
最好别改
改了3I基本也就信用破产了

这不是你考虑后面AGS利益的时候
假如真想考虑,就努力的做DAC吧
而不是现在还在想这些问题,第一次稍微有丁点失望了
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 05:22:24 PM »
别担心,其实BM是为BitShares ME造势。大概就是要达到推出新的快照让大家继续投资AGS的目的

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As you can see there are many aspects of this that requires both development and extensive testing and none of these should be rushed.  We will likely introduce BitShares ME  (new snapshot taken from AGS/PTS) as an incremental step toward testing the Bid/Ask system with custom assets prior to implementing the more sensitive short/long system in BTS XT. 
最好别改
改了3I基本也就信用破产了

这不是你考虑后面AGS利益的时候
假如真想考虑,就努力的做DAC吧
而不是现在还在想这些问题,第一次稍微有丁点失望了
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 11:32:40 PM »
我也很失望,不会有人因为后面的AGS不能分到bts觉得吃亏的,因为之前都清楚知道28日快照,人们继续投注是对后续DAC的期望,你要是连BTS-X都弄不好还能指望你什么。说实话对3I非常失望,原以为3I是一个牛逼的公司,还说什么有良好的信誉,现实很残酷,现在基本上就BM一个人在搞,甚至不如国内的一些山寨币,人家好歹也有几人的团队日夜操劳,你就一个人还整天去外面瞎转。3I有什么保障,除了出了一个PTS还有什么成果?一大堆白皮书么,看看论坛里中文板块占的比例,就是来忽悠咱中国人的么。你能不能踏踏实实把todolist的事情一个个做下来,别今天一个想法明天一个想法,实实在在的进度才是你对投资者的汇报,我们对于你们的期许就在于你们对现有想法的实现,请先做好这部分工作,不然跟我们公司里一起吹牛的软件开发人员没什么区别。
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 12:28:06 AM »

看pts 前2天的表现,隐约有人提前知道消息。突然放量,难道和股市一样黑,本来按部就班,突然被裹挟踩在脚下,散户就是注定悲剧

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 01:23:38 AM »
最近我一直在捐PTS 但这两天有人连续狂捐1000个把我吓到了

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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2014, 03:21:20 AM »
再好的IDEA,执行更关键。别学狗熊掰玉米,这个没有任何的意义。至于后期的DAC的分配,很简单,提高PTS、AGS的占比,例如各占20%、30%、40%、50%,这个都是在原来承诺的范围内的演进,投资者们很乐意接受,自然也就提高了PTS、AGS的价值。
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2014, 03:36:29 AM »
再好的IDEA,执行更关键。别学狗熊掰玉米,这个没有任何的意义。至于后期的DAC的分配,很简单,提高PTS、AGS的占比,例如各占20%、30%、40%、50%,这个都是在原来承诺的范围内的演进,投资者们很乐意接受,自然也就提高了PTS、AGS的价值。

对,你后面提到的就是很好的解决方法
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Re: 看了BM的帖子,感觉近期内PTS会有大变动
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 02:02:26 AM »
我感觉无论是用第二点还是第三点,都会被人喷死的。即使抛开涉及到的利益冲突不说,出尔反尔就会非常地让人厌恶。
主要是兑换过BTS之后用PTS得到的AGS的应用,在兑换过BTS之后 还剩下不少AGS,其实还是有一部分人仍然把手中的PTS、BTC捐给3I再换这些AGS的。看BM这样的说法应该是要顾及这些后期将PTS捐出然后得到AGS人的利益。如果按照后期分红来说后期捐献PTS的人无疑获利较小,这是不公平的,所以BM想方法对AGS的获利进行修改。
其实他一开头也说了,这只是个疯狂的想法,并没有经过谨慎的考虑,详细的计划,他们应该不会这样做。但这点可以反映出他们也正在为后期没有得到BTS兑换的AGS感到烦恼。
其实后期的AGS获利可以这样分配,将后面BTSX之后的 BTSXT ...之类的分红更多与后期的AGS挂钩,这样就会有一部分人再次愿意买进PTS换AGS,这样一来可以推动PTS的价格,也可以平衡前期AGS与后期AGS的获利。

死多完全不用担心后期捐献PTS的人无疑获利较小,因为后期捐PTS的成本低,获得的AGS高,唯一不爽的是3I。ags放出去一样,获得的PTS少了。还这么冠冕堂皇
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