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Emerging Narratives
« on: March 19, 2014, 06:24:49 PM »

New NXT video got me thinking: What are the emerging narratives in this space?

Anonymous, KimDotKom, Assange, Antonopoulos, TPB, The Pirate Party, Snowden ..

Privacy, free information, voluntarism and decentralization?
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 07:09:46 PM »
Wow I could swear we are all on the same playbook.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 09:17:51 PM »
What are the emerging narratives in this space?

The removal of central authority.

+decentralised +autonomous +consensuses


It goes beyond [Privacy, free information, voluntarism and decentralization]; it's empowering people; it's enabling the development of democracy and supporting liberal values - it's progress. The ability of those with existing power and wealth to frustrate and control others, is the dominate problem that most people aren't aware of because they haven't had an alternative to make that obvious.. alternates incoming.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 11:08:23 PM »
Usually with emerging narratives, it is not always clear during progress what the underlying principles and concepts are. It would give us an edge to understand in the most beautiful, simple and unified way what's driving the zeitgeist.

For me it really clicked when I realized that both the typical anti-capitalists and anti-government sentiments can be united against centralization of power. I suspect there are many more such insights to be had, and ensuring rhetoric replicates at insane speeds.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 11:39:36 PM »
I am sure that the bigger narratives contain something everyone (not liberal, not socialized in networks/internet) can value. That might be democrary, empowering people, transparency, anti corruption, fighting those with power and money that got that money/power through in-transparency and corruption. Those are overlaping narratives between the crypto community and the current mainstream.

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Emerging Narratives
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 11:56:09 PM »
IMO The zeitgeist is really being driven by an innovation that allows value creation and savings through efficiency

It won't be long until we move into a phase of social and fiscal osmosis

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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 02:07:57 AM »
Narrative circa Newsletter 2...

Free Space - The Ever-Receding Frontier

The jurisdiction of governments has always been defined by the land
mass they control by force. Out beyond the "three-mile" limit of their
shores is traditionally viewed as international waters. No government
has sovereignty out there, though many have tried to exert such control.
Their success has been limited to their ability to project power, whether
they have an internationally recognized right to do so or not.

We view the Internet as lying in international waters as well.

Governments and nefarious enterprises try to exert power by exploiting items of value that
must pass through their control or by seducing or coercing service providers that must
themselves remain exposed in the physical world. But what of the etherial constructs of cryptospace?
Ghost ships that don’t show up on any earthy radar and have no ports of call where they
can be interdicted? Ships with crypto-graphical cloaking devices that can carry their cargo
across the digital high seas with impunity, immune while pirates and tyrants huff and puff in
frustration. Many will want to control this new frontier. But unlike the past frontiers of
freedom, this time they will fail.

When Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket strode into the American Old West they were entering the
Free Space frontier of their day. But soon “civilization” began to encroach and their offspring
fled further West. The Eagles once lamented, “there is no more new frontier, we have got to
make it here”. We disagree. In Free Space, freedom can still flourish - by design.

Bitcoin has opened a portal to Free Space - a land of opportunity.

Bitcoin is just a digital currency worth billions. But the technology behind it is beyond the control of
any government on the planet. There is no central point where tyranny can seduce or coerce the people
who have learned to use it. Instead they interact peer to peer, with no corruptible middlemen. Bitcoin
just works. And it has paved our way to digital freedom. A next generation Internet.

In Free Space, no one can read your mail.
In Free Space, no one can track your purchases.
In Free Space, no one can steal your identity.
In Free Space, no one can inflate away your savings.
In Free Space, no one can confiscate your wealth.

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.


Anyone able to infringe on even one of these freedoms has too much power.
The tools needed to defend Free Space are emerging, but the arms race will probably never end.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 02:17:03 PM »
I like it. Might I provide a few critiques:

Out beyond the "three-mile" limit of their
shores is traditionally viewed as international waters.
Wikipedia says it's 12 nautical miles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters, but maybe "three-mile" has connotations I'm not aware of.

But what of the etherial constructs of cryptospace?
Feels very odd to mention anything reminiscent of Ethereum...

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.
This is a cool concept, but it sounds exactly like you're saying "your wealth is all imaginary," which may not be the message you're trying to convey.

Just thought I'd be "that guy" and come out swinging with the pedantic criticism. :)

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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 02:34:41 PM »
Ethereum is going with a distinct narrative as well,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBtKMZYdN8
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 02:37:57 PM »
Bitcoin has opened a portal to Free Space - a land of opportunity.

Bitcoin is just a digital currency worth billions. But the technology behind it is beyond the control of any government on the planet. There is no central point where tyranny can seduce or coerce the people who have learned to use it. Instead they interact peer to peer, with no corruptible middlemen. Bitcoin just works. And it has paved our way to digital freedom. A next generation Internet.

In Free Space, no one can read your mail.
In Free Space, no one can track your purchases.
In Free Space, no one can steal your identity.
In Free Space, no one can inflate away your savings.
In Free Space, no one can confiscate your wealth.

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.


Anyone able to infringe on even one of these freedoms has too much power.
The tools needed to defend Free Space are emerging, but the arms race will probably never end.

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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 02:41:30 PM »
I like it. Might I provide a few critiques:

Out beyond the "three-mile" limit of their
shores is traditionally viewed as international waters.
Wikipedia says it's 12 nautical miles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters, but maybe "three-mile" has connotations I'm not aware of.

But what of the etherial constructs of cryptospace?
Feels very odd to mention anything reminiscent of Ethereum...

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.
This is a cool concept, but it sounds exactly like you're saying "your wealth is all imaginary," which may not be the message you're trying to convey.

Just thought I'd be "that guy" and come out swinging with the pedantic criticism. :)

It used to be the three mile limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-mile_limit) before it became the 12 mile limit in 1982 (which makes my point about continuing government encroachment and receding freedom.)

e·the·re·al adj. 1. Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.

This is known as "ghosting" the competition.  Ghosting is proposal writing jargon for showing the deficiencies in your competitors' solutions without calling your competitors by name.

Naturally, no such meaning could have possibly been intended when I wrote this in Newsletter 2.   This is merely a delightful coincidence.

I like the idea of being able to swim across the Rio Grande with nothing but my Keyhotee brain wallet between my ears.

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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2014, 02:43:06 PM »
Narrative circa Newsletter 2...

Free Space - The Ever-Receding Frontier

The jurisdiction of governments has always been defined by the land
mass they control by force. Out beyond the "three-mile" limit of their
shores is traditionally viewed as international waters. No government
has sovereignty out there, though many have tried to exert such control.
Their success has been limited to their ability to project power, whether
they have an internationally recognized right to do so or not.

We view the Internet as lying in international waters as well.

Governments and other nefarious enterprises try to exert power by exploiting items of value that
must pass through their control or by seducing or coercing service providers that must
themselves remain exposed in the physical world. But what of the etherial constructs of cryptospace?
Ghost ships that don’t show up on any earthy radar and have no ports of call where they
can be interdicted? Ships with crypto-graphical cloaking devices that can carry their cargo
across the digital high seas with impunity, immune while pirates and tyrants huff and puff in
frustration. Many will want to control this new frontier. But unlike the past frontiers of
freedom, this time they will fail.

When Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket strode into the American Old West they were entering the
Free Space frontier of their day. But soon “civilization” began to encroach and their offspring
fled further West. The Eagles once lamented, “there is no more new frontier, we have got to
make it here”. We disagree. In Free Space, freedom can still flourish - by design.

Bitcoin has opened a portal to Free Space - a land of opportunity.

Bitcoin is just a digital currency worth billions. But the technology behind it is beyond the control of
any government on the planet. There is no central point where tyranny can seduce or coerce the people
who have learned to use it. Instead they interact peer to peer, with no corruptible middlemen. Bitcoin
just works. And it has paved our way to digital freedom. A next generation Internet.

In Free Space, no one can read your mail.
In Free Space, no one can track your purchases.
In Free Space, no one can steal your identity.
In Free Space, no one can inflate away your savings.
In Free Space, no one can confiscate your wealth.

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.


Anyone able to infringe on even one of these freedoms has too much power.
The tools needed to defend Free Space are emerging, but the arms race will probably never end.

In my opinion it is not clever to rethorically attack gvernments like this. Just provide the technology that will make it (decentralization, all III stands for) happen and be diplomatic and friendly otherwise :) The technology is the crucial point which will make things happen. Making yourself  enemies with de facto authorities is just not necessary and might lead to some kind of ban of the ecosystem which supports the technology and will prevent more people from being positive about mass adoption of the technology.
It would be arrogant to assume governments couldnt shut down bitshares/bitcoin. They couldn't shut it down completely but prevent people enough to make real use of it because in the the transition phase p2p systems need to interact with centralized systems (for example centralized BTC/USD exchanges) to get enough people to use and support it!! It is just not neccesary to make yourself enemies with autorities. It is against your cause.

Why do people still do it? Because fighting mode in which a specific enemy is identified and in which roles are clear (I am/we are good, the other side is bad) is calming for humans.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 03:16:52 PM »
<snip/>
In my opinion it is not clever to rethorically attack gvernments like this. Just provide the technology that will make it .. happen and be diplomatic and friendly otherwise :)

<snip/>
It is just not neccesary to make yourself enemies with authorities. It is against your cause.

Why do people still do it? Because fighting mode in which a specific enemy is identified and in which roles are clear (I am/we are good, the other side is bad) is calming for humans.

I agree and think that's an important point. I'm surprised to see some form of Newsletter evolving above! The formal position should be neutral. Talking politics is likely to alienate people and will bring a backlash that suggests personal egos and opinions are clouding the dialogue. Any talk of Government being force or nefarious, is partial and open to misinterpretation.

Demonising others, like Government, is a mistake - and shouldn't be necessary. What exists currently, is more a statement about where we are. Ignoring some of the inevitability of history to suggest that there's somehow a conspiracy against what it obviously better, just makes the challenger look weak, where the reality is more that we're just moving forward and beyond what has been possible previously.

The old addage of 'no politics; no sport; and no sex', tends to apply. Such talk tends to put those who don't exactly agree on the defensive and drives a people apart rather than drawing them together.

Focus on providing the tool and not what it is to be used for - leave that to people's imagination.
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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2014, 03:30:53 PM »

Narrative circa Newsletter 2...

Free Space - The Ever-Receding Frontier

The jurisdiction of governments has always been defined by the land
mass they control by force. Out beyond the "three-mile" limit of their
shores is traditionally viewed as international waters. No government
has sovereignty out there, though many have tried to exert such control.
Their success has been limited to their ability to project power, whether
they have an internationally recognized right to do so or not.

We view the Internet as lying in international waters as well.

Governments and other nefarious enterprises try to exert power by exploiting items of value that
must pass through their control or by seducing or coercing service providers that must
themselves remain exposed in the physical world. But what of the etherial constructs of cryptospace?
Ghost ships that don’t show up on any earthy radar and have no ports of call where they
can be interdicted? Ships with crypto-graphical cloaking devices that can carry their cargo
across the digital high seas with impunity, immune while pirates and tyrants huff and puff in
frustration. Many will want to control this new frontier. But unlike the past frontiers of
freedom, this time they will fail.

When Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket strode into the American Old West they were entering the
Free Space frontier of their day. But soon “civilization” began to encroach and their offspring
fled further West. The Eagles once lamented, “there is no more new frontier, we have got to
make it here”. We disagree. In Free Space, freedom can still flourish - by design.

Bitcoin has opened a portal to Free Space - a land of opportunity.

Bitcoin is just a digital currency worth billions. But the technology behind it is beyond the control of
any government on the planet. There is no central point where tyranny can seduce or coerce the people
who have learned to use it. Instead they interact peer to peer, with no corruptible middlemen. Bitcoin
just works. And it has paved our way to digital freedom. A next generation Internet.

In Free Space, no one can read your mail.
In Free Space, no one can track your purchases.
In Free Space, no one can steal your identity.
In Free Space, no one can inflate away your savings.
In Free Space, no one can confiscate your wealth.

In Free Space, your wealth is all in your head.


Anyone able to infringe on even one of these freedoms has too much power.
The tools needed to defend Free Space are emerging, but the arms race will probably never end.

In my opinion it is not clever to rethorically attack gvernments like this. Just provide the technology that will make it (decentralization, all III stands for) happen and be diplomatic and friendly otherwise :) The technology is the crucial point which will make things happen. Making yourself  enemies with de facto authorities is just not necessary and might lead to some kind of ban of the ecosystem which supports the technology and will prevent more people from being positive about mass adoption of the technology.
It would be arrogant to assume governments couldnt shut down bitshares/bitcoin. They couldn't shut it down completely but prevent people enough to make real use of it because in the the transition phase p2p systems need to interact with centralized systems (for example centralized BTC/USD exchanges) to get enough people to use and support it!! It is just not neccesary to make yourself enemies with autorities. It is against your cause.

Why do people still do it? Because fighting mode in which a specific enemy is identified and in which roles are clear (I am/we are good, the other side is bad) is calming for humans.

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Re: Emerging Narratives
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2014, 03:31:47 PM »
Please don't attack the govt rhetorically


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