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A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« on: April 30, 2014, 01:57:14 PM »

People at one time said it was lobbing grenades, while I later apologized and corrected the statement "lobbing grenades" by recoining it "sniping".  This was about Ethereum and Hoskinson's motivations compared to Dan's.  Well, I will thank you Dan for having a conversation here that vindicates my presumptions. 

Many others on this forum have spoken to this topic, but it is nice to see the implied characterization in this link:

With that said, I hope people realize how serious this shit could get in the future.  Btw...it would have been a great interview without it. 

Unfortunately, we can tell there is a lot of work to do to get average joes and janes up to speed. 
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 04:32:46 PM by fuznuts »
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2014, 02:01:15 PM »
I can't listen to this, also you're leaving a lot to be inferred... please elaborate
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 02:16:01 PM »
Yeah that's long can you let us know the section of the video you're referring to.

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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2014, 02:16:33 PM »
Basically I've been saying that Dan has the philosophy that Satoshi had intended while other projects like Bitcoin and Ethereum have strayed away from those principles that made cryptocurrency valuable to all people.  Hard to believe that people like Hosk didn't see these potential problems with the current state of crypto--yet choose to move forward with these ridiculous plans.

It is worth listening to even if you have to fast forward to the "good parts".

Yeah that's long can you let us know the section of the video you're referring to.

starts about midway.  the dude does tend to rant alot for through most of the first half...gives Dan a little more real estate in the second half though. I'd say start it around 30 min.
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2014, 03:39:16 PM »
Yeah I listened to it,  I think most people here (on the Bitshares forum) already get the controllable/centralising threat Bitcoin and Ethereum pose.

I thought Daniel did a good job explaining stuff but it was interesting to hear how layman link Bithsares & Bitcoin together and that they think Blockchains are tied to Bitcoin too. I think it would be worth working on a real laymans sales pitch to make clear how Bitshares is different.

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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2014, 06:57:48 PM »
Yea, I'm impressed with Dan's presentation.

Dan's one-on-one explanation on radio is better than his presentations to crowds, IMO.

We need to get him on Joe Rogan.  Maybe we could start a tweet campaign for Joe to wake the f*ck up and listen to this cat Dan Larimer.

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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2014, 07:40:42 PM »
We need to get him on Joe Rogan.  Maybe we could start a tweet campaign for Joe to wake the f*ck up and listen to this cat Dan Larimer.

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Joe Rogan, Max Keiser and Tim Ferris.  The whole DAC concept would be very appealing to Tim Ferris, as it matches his own philosophies.  How do we get his attention?
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2014, 08:15:56 PM »

I am not familiar with Tim Ferris.  I has to google him but am familar with his book.  It seems he likes to apply new things directly to himself.  Not so much interviewing though.  Am I wrong ?  It would be hard for him to apply Bitshares to himself and work it into a show.

Max Keiser would be a good fit. Does he do radio interviews?  The guy works for a Russian propaganda machine, but it gets the message out there and to the right crowd.

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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2014, 10:09:37 PM »
 +5% +5% GREAT! I feel better criticizing than praising so! That was real good (I listened to both hours 3 and 4)

The only small problem was that Dan was encouraged to continue prophet-ing instead of designing and coding. And while I can see how he is great at this (too), I would like him to finish securing the profiting part. And securing the profiting means finishing the product. When we have the product he can go and expand the profiting by prophet-ing. (credit for propheting – profiting goes to Stan)
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 12:47:15 AM »
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 01:52:27 PM »
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But the speaking of a truth that another wants to conceal (to the detriment of others) is not fighting.  The point is valid though...
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 02:38:22 PM »
This was about Ethereum and Hoskinson's motivations compared to Dan's. 

Let us be clear. This vindicates nothing about motivations.

What Dan has over everyone else is the ability to change his mind without nostalgic delay.
The people in this space, however intelligent, will cling to POW out of nostalgia, even in the face of grave danger of centralization.
This is because the alternatives are not given honest thought; they suppress the hope of alternatives as they cling to the old - and what then remains?
What remains is that they have to protect POW from all objections, as it is the only (to them) "conceivable" alternative to the current state of the centralized etcetc. world economy.
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2014, 02:44:55 PM »
I like the idea of getting Joe Rogan onto this :)

Dan's last public speaking presentation was very good. Aside from a small conspiratorial aside (everyone ignored this warning of mine) at the beginning it was flawless.

It needs to be seen by everyone.

As a final note: I think to rely on alliances with people on the fringe, and even fanboys (like me, etc.), is very dangerous; many people on the forums, and on the fringe etc. are here for singular reasons, and appreciate your ideas etc., for reasons that do not necessarily generalize.
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2014, 03:31:20 PM »
I like the idea of getting Joe Rogan onto this :)

Dan's last public speaking presentation was very good. Aside from a small conspiratorial aside (everyone ignored this warning of mine) at the beginning it was flawless.

It needs to be seen by everyone.

As a final note: I think to rely on alliances with people on the fringe, and even fanboys (like me, etc.), is very dangerous; many people on the forums, and on the fringe etc. are here for singular reasons, and appreciate your ideas etc., for reasons that do not necessarily generalize.
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Re: A Conspiracy Theorist Vindicated:
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2014, 04:18:08 PM »

I am not familiar with Tim Ferris.  I has to google him but am familar with his book.  It seems he likes to apply new things directly to himself.  Not so much interviewing though.  Am I wrong ?  It would be hard for him to apply Bitshares to himself and work it into a show.

Max Keiser would be a good fit. Does he do radio interviews?  The guy works for a Russian propaganda machine, but it gets the message out there and to the right crowd.

Tim Ferris is an author/entrepreneur/lifehacker.  He recently started a podcast and has a television show coming out too.  He runs the second most popular syndicate on AngelList (https://angel.co/syndicates) and has over 222k likes on facebook.  His first book, The Four Hour Workweek focused a lot on automation, and how to automate as much of your business and life as possible, which is why I think he'd be all for autonomous companies.

From his AngelList profile (https://angel.co/tim):
Tim Ferriss
Advisor: Uber, Evernote, Shopify, Automattic, etc. Early investor: Twitter, FB, Alibaba, etc. Blog with 1M+ readers/month. Author of three #1 NYT/WSJ bestsellers. Featured by 100+ media outlets (NYT, Dr. Oz, etc.).

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