Author [EN] [ZH] [ES] [PT] [IT] [DE] [FR] [NL] [TR] [SR] [AR] [RU] [EN] [ZH] [ES] [PT] [IT] [DE] [FR] [NL] [TR] [SR] [AR] [RU] [EN] [ZH] [ES] [PT] [IT] [DE] [FR] [NL] [TR] [SR] [AR] [RU] Topic: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion  (Read 787 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Stan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2809
  • You need to think BIGGER, Pinky...
    • View Profile
    • Cryptonomex
  • BTS: Stan
Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« on: May 23, 2014, 05:01:15 AM »

There were a lot of other ideas beginning to be discussed by those who liked the idea of a community promo program.  Lest we deny them a chance for continued discussion, why not post and continue discussing them here?

For example:
  • Community Outreach Efforts
  • Charities with a business case
  • Contests to motivate new developers
  • Viral methods like prizes for "signing up" others
  • Some way to thank AGSers for making PTSers a little richer
  • Some way to thank the miners that are keeping PTS on life support
  • Adam's favorite Long-Range Mega Bounty for the World's Best DAC
Without the tension of discussing who pays, let a thousand ideas bloom!
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

Offline donkeypong

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2331
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 05:31:31 AM »
My suggestion would be to clone the new PTS2 coin (or whatever it will be called). Then airdrop 100% of it to AGS holders once the AGS donation period has ended, claimable only by those who have keys to donor addresses. Let them sell it or keep it, their choice. This would unlock some monetary value for those folks who don't want to hold or anyone else who wants to trim their holdings. And it would not hurt 3I the way that an early end to AGS would leave less for development/marketing. Plus, this would give new interested "investors" a chance to join late and still participate by buying AGS coins. And then use that new AGS coin for any future DACs to take their AGS snapshots.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2014, 05:34:00 AM by donkeypong »

Offline Troglodactyl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 941
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 06:08:44 AM »
My suggestion would be to clone the new PTS2 coin (or whatever it will be called). Then airdrop 100% of it to AGS holders once the AGS donation period has ended, claimable only by those who have keys to donor addresses. Let them sell it or keep it, their choice. This would unlock some monetary value for those folks who don't want to hold or anyone else who wants to trim their holdings. And it would not hurt 3I the way that an early end to AGS would leave less for development/marketing. Plus, this would give new interested "investors" a chance to join late and still participate by buying AGS coins. And then use that new AGS coin for any future DACs to take their AGS snapshots.

To clarify, are you suggesting making both PTS and AGS liquid on their own DPOS chains?

Offline xeroc

  • Board Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12175
  • ChainSquad GmbH
    • View Profile
    • ChainSquad GmbH
  • BTS: xeroc
  • GitHub: xeroc
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 06:17:58 AM »
I cant hear all these liquid-ags talks any longer :-(
Give BitShares a try! Use the http://testnet.bitshares.eu provided by http://bitshares.eu powered by ChainSquad GmbH

Offline Troglodactyl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 941
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 06:23:47 AM »
For community outreach, I recommend the Google Fiber approach.  I think the we should start a competition between communities and honor the communities with the highest demand with snapshots granting their chains a stake in what we're doing, much as Google selected cities and neighborhoods for Fiber internet service rollout.  This solution is (relatively) low effort on our part compared to running and judging competitions, could generate massive publicity, and ends up with stake distribution to active communities who actually want it.

One (somewhat messy) idea for gauging the interest of the different communities would be to ask them to use vanitygen, and at a designated time see which chain has the greatest percentage of its total supply in addresses marked "BTS".  Effectively this gives us advertising space in other blockchains and gets people talking and learning about bitshares, while selecting an interested community to recruit to join us by snapshot distribution, either to the entire chain, or specifically to the vanitygen marked interested parties within that chain.

Offline betax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 803
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 11:53:46 AM »
I am all for charities, as you know from lotto and previous thread.

Why?

Number 1: Charities / Good causes will make (hopefully) the best use of the money.

And of course:

It helps to launch the charity / lotto DAC, as it initialises the selection of potential charities.
It will help to clear bad images of crypto in general and show our good will.
It will introduce to people outside of the crypto circle, the potentials of DACs and the offerings we provide.
Many others...

https://metaexchange.info | Bitcoin<->Altcoin exchange | Instant | Safe | Low spreads

Offline Troglodactyl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 941
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 01:06:00 PM »
I am all for charities, as you know from lotto and previous thread.

Why?

Number 1: Charities / Good causes will make (hopefully) the best use of the money.

And of course:

It helps to launch the charity / lotto DAC, as it initialises the selection of potential charities.
It will help to clear bad images of crypto in general and show our good will.
It will introduce to people outside of the crypto circle, the potentials of DACs and the offerings we provide.
Many others...

Can you flesh this out more?  "Charity" has positive connotations of doing good things, but picking one that's actually worthwhile, and that actually wants to use what we have is more difficult.  What good causes are you suggesting we support, and how?

Offline betax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 803
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 02:11:17 PM »
It can be any charity (good and well known) from cancer research to the gates foundation, I am not to decide, and of course it should not be just one. That is a bigger debate to have if we decide to do so.

How would the charity will use it? to finance their projects, or keep it for future investment.
https://metaexchange.info | Bitcoin<->Altcoin exchange | Instant | Safe | Low spreads

Offline Stan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2809
  • You need to think BIGGER, Pinky...
    • View Profile
    • Cryptonomex
  • BTS: Stan
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 02:46:46 PM »
It can be any charity (good and well known) from cancer research to the gates foundation, I am not to decide, and of course it should not be just one. That is a bigger debate to have if we decide to do so.

How would the charity will use it? to finance their projects, or keep it for future investment?

How do you address the fact that to benefit from a charitable donation the first thing a charity would have to do is sell the donation, putting pressure on share price?  While they could keep it as an investment, that's not what most charities do.
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

Offline Stan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2809
  • You need to think BIGGER, Pinky...
    • View Profile
    • Cryptonomex
  • BTS: Stan
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 03:07:19 PM »
I cant hear all these liquid-ags talks any longer :-(

Why not summarize them here?
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

Offline bitcoinba

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 03:16:51 PM »
In my humble opinion charitable donations are a discussion for what to do profits, not funds that were already "donated" for a specific cause. More importantly charitable donations should be decisions taken by individuals, not a community, especially when that community is already trying to accomplish so much with limited resources.

Offline donkeypong

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2331
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 03:29:13 PM »
My suggestion would be to clone the new PTS2 coin (or whatever it will be called). Then airdrop 100% of it to AGS holders once the AGS donation period has ended, claimable only by those who have keys to donor addresses. Let them sell it or keep it, their choice. This would unlock some monetary value for those folks who don't want to hold or anyone else who wants to trim their holdings. And it would not hurt 3I the way that an early end to AGS would leave less for development/marketing. Plus, this would give new interested "investors" a chance to join late and still participate by buying AGS coins. And then use that new AGS coin for any future DACs to take their AGS snapshots.

To clarify, are you suggesting making both PTS and AGS liquid on their own DPOS chains?

Yes, but only after the AGS donation period is through, so that making AGS liquid simply unlocks the value for holders and does not harm Invictus' ability to fund developers and marketing.

Offline betax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 803
    • View Profile
Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 03:55:36 PM »
It can be any charity (good and well known) from cancer research to the gates foundation, I am not to decide, and of course it should not be just one. That is a bigger debate to have if we decide to do so.

How would the charity will use it? to finance their projects, or keep it for future investment?

How do you address the fact that to benefit from a charitable donation the first thing a charity would have to do is sell the donation, putting pressure on share price?  While they could keep it as an investment, that's not what most charities do.

I was also thinking that myself, we could put a clause on the donation or release the donation over a period of time.
https://metaexchange.info | Bitcoin<->Altcoin exchange | Instant | Safe | Low spreads

Offline liondani

Re: Orphaned Ideas Still Worthy of Discussion
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 11:39:15 PM »
It can be any charity (good and well known) from cancer research to the gates foundation, I am not to decide, and of course it should not be just one. That is a bigger debate to have if we decide to do so.

How would the charity will use it? to finance their projects, or keep it for future investment?

How do you address the fact that to benefit from a charitable donation the first thing a charity would have to do is sell the donation, putting pressure on share price?  While they could keep it as an investment, that's not what most charities do.

I was also thinking that myself, we could put a clause on the donation or release the donation over a period of time.

 +5% +5% +5%


PS The charity would suport us for that time because they want the donation value to rise as possible !
« Last Edit: May 23, 2014, 11:43:33 PM by liondani »
  https://bitshares.OPENLEDGER.info/?r=GREECE  | You are in Control | BUY | SELL | SHORT | SWAP | LOAN | TRADE |  


 

Google+