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   PTS钱包的作者, DAC届屡战屡败,屡败屡战的光头强准备发布Lotto Share了, 这一次不仅要分给PTS/AGS, 当然也少不了他自己的MMC(可笑的是作为MMC的作者被自己开发的选举功能从CEO位置淘汰了),  最近这个项目暂停, 因为他在对比该项目与另一个币的优劣, 但快照时间已经定了是5月底, 有兴趣的赶紧在5月底前把PTS和MMC提到本地钱包
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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2014, 03:05:13 PM »
Lotto share 会不会是个搅局的?
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2014, 03:17:10 PM »
光头强还是不错的..当初送的mmc还卖了快2000块呢.点他的赞..

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2014, 03:40:15 PM »
FreeTrade编程能力超强,一人搞出了MMC,现在又出了LOTTO。 其实他还是PTS的主要编程人员。可惜小庙留不住大佛,人家不肯加入3I。如果他也是3I员工的话,BTS估计早就出来了。
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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2014, 05:42:58 PM »
FreeTrade编程能力超强,一人搞出了MMC,现在又出了LOTTO。 其实他还是PTS的主要编程人员。可惜小庙留不住大佛,人家不肯加入3I。如果他也是3I员工的话,BTS估计早就出来了。

mmc没维护了吧
pts的难度调整渣到可以吧 不得不转dpos了 否则矿工都快跑光了

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2014, 06:55:12 PM »
don't worry . no harm will be done to bts community but getting some free lotto coins from "free trade"
光头强还是不错的..当初送的mmc还卖了快2000块呢.点他的赞..

他因为送给pts的mmc成功做了广告效应,用百分之十都不到的股份成功将自己开发的一个一文不值的虚拟币(没有好平台愿意上架,还是变相预挖的定期发工资币)变成了一个价值几元的币,每天每个管理员(都是支持他的阵营)分发500个币的工资,初期每天套利接近万元rmb,现在没有利润了直接抛下走人不管了,留着mmc社区等死。他的态度是,你们当然可以投票取消我的拿工资的管理职位,但同时他也保留在没有好处的情况下停止参与对这个币的更新维护。这些都在mmc论坛板块的历史帖子上。

要是知道他的行事方式和思维方式,会觉得他根本不是将虚拟币当成是一个事业,而仅仅是一个赚快钱的途径。他作为原始的拥有者,拥有大量的币,他不想着提升币的价值而得到好处,而是通过发工资这种浅视的办法为自己和自己阵营获益,结果海量的工资发出去了,不仅没有提升社区的价值,反而每天在市场上造成了巨大的抛压(几个管理员每天一共几千个币,一个月抛出的就是十几万人民币的资金,对这种市场深度小的小众币来说杀伤力多大?)

现在mmc论坛都在骂他,连lotto分给mmc这事都不在mmc论坛宣传,让人赶不上deadline。

这实在赞不了。

光头强若看到此贴,请主动不要往我地址送币,我实在不想和你扯上关系,谢谢。


Stan,I strongly recommend you read all the post on mmc child forum,and know exactly what kind of person you're in bed with.How he treats this like a quick money game instead of a sustainable business.I can predict that within three months , the mmc story will happen again,and 3i and PTS 's name is gonna drag deeper with it .
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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2014, 08:21:30 PM »
don't worry . no harm will be done to bts community but getting some free lotto coins from "free trade"
光头强还是不错的..当初送的mmc还卖了快2000块呢.点他的赞..

他因为送给pts的mmc成功做了广告效应,用百分之十都不到的股份成功将自己开发的一个一文不值的虚拟币(没有好平台愿意上架,还是变相预挖的定期发工资币)变成了一个价值几元的币,每天每个管理员(都是支持他的阵营)分发500个币的工资,初期每天套利接近万元rmb,现在没有利润了直接抛下走人不管了,留着mmc社区等死。他的态度是,你们当然可以投票取消我的拿工资的管理职位,但同时他也保留在没有好处的情况下停止参与对这个币的更新维护。这些都在mmc论坛板块的历史帖子上。

要是知道他的行事方式和思维方式,会觉得他根本不是将虚拟币当成是一个事业,而仅仅是一个赚快钱的途径。他作为原始的拥有者,拥有大量的币,他不想着提升币的价值而得到好处,而是通过发工资这种浅视的办法为自己和自己阵营获益,结果海量的工资发出去了,不仅没有提升社区的价值,反而每天在市场上造成了巨大的抛压(几个管理员每天一共几千个币,一个月抛出的就是十几万人民币的资金,对这种市场深度小的小众币来说杀伤力多大?)

现在mmc论坛都在骂他,连lotto分给mmc这事都不在mmc论坛宣传,让人赶不上deadline。

这实在赞不了。

光头强若看到此贴,请主动不要往我地址送币,我实在不想和你扯上关系,谢谢。


Stan,I strongly recommend you read all the post on mmc child forum,and know exactly what kind of person you're in bed with.How he treats this like a quick money game instead of a sustainable business.I can predict that within three months , the mmc story will happen again,and 3i and PTS 's name is gonna drag deeper with it .

Since you brought it up, and without making any value judgements about any particular developer, what should the BitShares community's policy be about promoting developers who (wisely) choose to honor PTS and AGS?

We have said in the past that, as long as there is not an legal/ethical/philosophical conflict, any DAC that honors the community will be honored by the community.

My absurd example was that "Slavetrader, DAC" would probably not qualify.

Should we be involved in vetting 3rd party developers?  Or should we just be appreciative of anyone who thinks enough of this community to seek its support?


Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract of any kind.   These are merely my opinions which I reserve the right to change at any time.

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2014, 08:48:49 PM »
FreeTrade编程能力超强,一人搞出了MMC,现在又出了LOTTO。 其实他还是PTS的主要编程人员。可惜小庙留不住大佛,人家不肯加入3I。如果他也是3I员工的话,BTS估计早就出来了。

mmc没维护了吧
pts的难度调整渣到可以吧 不得不转dpos了 否则矿工都快跑光了
这个吹牛的家伙,没有多少人信他了吧。

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2014, 01:11:15 AM »
   光头强做事还是有能力的,MMC的问题在于后期太容易挖了,一台I3每天都能挖几十个,结果矿工大量砸盘导致价格缩水10几倍,本来MMC的团队推广还是不错的,因为价格太低,现在里面的几个CXO都跑掉了

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2014, 03:30:32 AM »
挖矿算法是他自己设计的,不是别人强加的。
PTS的难度调整多垃圾你也看到吧,mmc如果也是这个原因,真要猜一下他到底想干什么了。莫非他碰过的币都离不开这个下场?

至于矿工砸盘,不如说小众市场信心尽失。
本来mmc就因为他自己的历史原因,弄得只有极少数平台愿意上架,市场深度低,他还弄一个发工资的算法,每天通过管理员工资的形式往市场上抛几千个币(在12月底1月初,这每天几千个就是上万元人民币啊),一个月多少?

管理员的工资(包括他自己)是按天,而不是按工作量算,管理员所谓投票换了一茬又一茬,但出来的工作成果明显与当时的法币价值有巨大差异。(还有个管理员得了工资后,发一小部分工资将任务外包给另一个人干,这个人上论坛发帖了。)

管理员就是大矿工,旱涝保收一天几千个币,每天收工资换一次,市场深度又低一些。这样的币能不死么。

我希望光头强做事是有能力的,否则,就表示他心思有问题了。

另外有些人觉得只要pts有分红,什么人来无所谓。但到时候推广是以3i的名义,市场也只认3i的牌子。举228的例子来说吧,pts拉升的那一段时间,连mmc都趁机拉升了一把套人,到处群的消息都说这个是3i的产品,pts利好,所以mmc也利好。
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我就放这里预测一下吧:经过三个月以上的锁定期后(三个月还只是随机的呢,最长十几个月),这个新币的买单已经被他自己拥有的百分之几十砸光了,其他人赠送得到的币,卖不出任何价值,然后市场又说:3i推广的币,就是不靠谱,跟mmc一样。

三个月后,挖这个帖子看,希望我预测错了。

10% PTS, 10% AGS, 10% MMC   ,30%项目有帮助的人, 前面这些60%至少冻结3个月,后面的40% 则根据狗币,BTC的排行进行分配。换句话说即使他有30%也是冻结的?因为BTC与狗币分配的应该不是很多,但是这些是不会被冻结,猜得没错这次主要是向BTC与狗币的持有人进行推广。因为两种币持有的人多,这种推广策略确实不错。其实我感兴趣的不是他的分配方案,也不是他的算法,这个币价值还有生存期。
而是这个DAC的玩法
从42个数字中选择3-6个号码投注任意数量股份.开奖号码从区块链中随机生成
6 个号码 = 1,000,000 倍
5 个号码 = 5,000 倍
4 个号码 = 100 倍
3 个号码 = 10 倍
感觉还不错
我想这种彩票投注的方式以后涉及博彩方面DAC可以借鉴一下,毕竟能够提出这样投注式玩法的DAC不多。
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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2014, 04:02:52 AM »
不清楚历史,但是看起来光头强很不受待见啊 :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2014, 05:12:12 AM »
don't worry . no harm will be done to bts community but getting some free lotto coins from "free trade"
光头强还是不错的..当初送的mmc还卖了快2000块呢.点他的赞..

他因为送给pts的mmc成功做了广告效应,用百分之十都不到的股份成功将自己开发的一个一文不值的虚拟币(没有好平台愿意上架,还是变相预挖的定期发工资币)变成了一个价值几元的币,每天每个管理员(都是支持他的阵营)分发500个币的工资,初期每天套利接近万元rmb,现在没有利润了直接抛下走人不管了,留着mmc社区等死。他的态度是,你们当然可以投票取消我的拿工资的管理职位,但同时他也保留在没有好处的情况下停止参与对这个币的更新维护。这些都在mmc论坛板块的历史帖子上。

要是知道他的行事方式和思维方式,会觉得他根本不是将虚拟币当成是一个事业,而仅仅是一个赚快钱的途径。他作为原始的拥有者,拥有大量的币,他不想着提升币的价值而得到好处,而是通过发工资这种浅视的办法为自己和自己阵营获益,结果海量的工资发出去了,不仅没有提升社区的价值,反而每天在市场上造成了巨大的抛压(几个管理员每天一共几千个币,一个月抛出的就是十几万人民币的资金,对这种市场深度小的小众币来说杀伤力多大?)

现在mmc论坛都在骂他,连lotto分给mmc这事都不在mmc论坛宣传,让人赶不上deadline。

这实在赞不了。

光头强若看到此贴,请主动不要往我地址送币,我实在不想和你扯上关系,谢谢。


Stan,I strongly recommend you read all the post on mmc child forum,and know exactly what kind of person you're in bed with.How he treats this like a quick money game instead of a sustainable business.I can predict that within three months , the mmc story will happen again,and 3i and PTS 's name is gonna drag deeper with it .

Since you brought it up, and without making any value judgements about any particular developer, what should the BitShares community's policy be about promoting developers who (wisely) choose to honor PTS and AGS?

We have said in the past that, as long as there is not an legal/ethical/philosophical conflict, any DAC that honors the community will be honored by the community.

My absurd example was that "Slavetrader, DAC" would probably not qualify.

Should we be involved in vetting 3rd party developers?  Or should we just be appreciative of anyone who thinks enough of this community to seek its support?

All right.I'll imagine this for you.

Say,I developed a coin called "JobCoin",intend to provide a information business that let people find jobs and let company hire people,they should use my "JobCoin" to pay to post their information.

I premine 100%,then give 50% to PTS and AGS (very good,right ? I'm a good guy at the eyes of 3i).But,hey,this 50% has to be locked for 3 month to longer time before  it will be trade able.

Now, by the power of 3i promotion , JobCoin successfully get on all major trading platforms.Since it's promoted by 3i,then the market would love this coin from the start,my 50% coin can sell at a good price.

After selling the coin,I get say ....200K USD easily.Then , I can get off to the sunset and enjoy some quality time with my loaded wallet.

And then , I don't need to maintain this coin anymore. But hey , the community can curse me .That's my wrong doing ,I can take it .

The problem is ,the community won't just hate me . They see this "JobCoin" as 3i's product,no matter how you explain the concept of "3rd party".For example , during that time Feb. 28th which lead to PTS's price boost , some big time MMC dealer also said that MMC is a "3i related product,and because PTS has good news,MMC is bound to rise."  That's the real relationship between 3i and 3rd party DAC.They ignore the "3rd" part.

So,if you say I just need to give PTS and AGS a share,you would support me no matter what ,then I think more developer would join this pool. The problem is ,
if 3i can really separate itself from the potential harm or bad act by the 3rd party DAC 3i's promoting ?

I think the 3rd party != full immunity    for 3i,at least on a public image level.If 3rd party DAC do good, 3i will benefited .But what if other wise ?

PS. I just image the worst way of doing the wrong thing,not that will surely happen,not that anyone done this or can do this.
But ,  Can I do this ? That's the real question.

You have presented a valid concern.
Sooner or later something bad like this could happen.

The alternative is to give up on teaming with many great 3rd Party DACs.
It is generally not possible to know the difference in advance.

If we did a small (affordable) amount of due diligence, this could make matters worse. Then there would be an expectation that we are guaranteeing a perfect outcome. And no such guarantee is possible.

The choice seems to be: 
Support no 3rd Party DACs
Support all 3rd Party DACs.

As soon as we decline one, the expectation is that we are smart enough to decline all bad and accept all good.  A slippery slope?

Do you see any better alternatives?


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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2014, 05:45:53 AM »
mmc只能算山寨版吧。不能算dac吧

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Re: FreeTrade即将推出Lotto Share,快照日期定于5月底
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2014, 02:23:35 PM »
挖矿算法是他自己设计的,不是别人强加的。
PTS的难度调整多垃圾你也看到吧,mmc如果也是这个原因,真要猜一下他到底想干什么了。莫非他碰过的币都离不开这个下场?

至于矿工砸盘,不如说小众市场信心尽失。
本来mmc就因为他自己的历史原因,弄得只有极少数平台愿意上架,市场深度低,他还弄一个发工资的算法,每天通过管理员工资的形式往市场上抛几千个币(在12月底1月初,这每天几千个就是上万元人民币啊),一个月多少?

管理员的工资(包括他自己)是按天,而不是按工作量算,管理员所谓投票换了一茬又一茬,但出来的工作成果明显与当时的法币价值有巨大差异。(还有个管理员得了工资后,发一小部分工资将任务外包给另一个人干,这个人上论坛发帖了。)

管理员就是大矿工,旱涝保收一天几千个币,每天收工资换一次,市场深度又低一些。这样的币能不死么。

我希望光头强做事是有能力的,否则,就表示他心思有问题了。

另外有些人觉得只要pts有分红,什么人来无所谓。但到时候推广是以3i的名义,市场也只认3i的牌子。举228的例子来说吧,pts拉升的那一段时间,连mmc都趁机拉升了一把套人,到处群的消息都说这个是3i的产品,pts利好,所以mmc也利好。
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我就放这里预测一下吧:经过三个月以上的锁定期后(三个月还只是随机的呢,最长十几个月),这个新币的买单已经被他自己拥有的百分之几十砸光了,其他人赠送得到的币,卖不出任何价值,然后市场又说:3i推广的币,就是不靠谱,跟mmc一样。

三个月后,挖这个帖子看,希望我预测错了。

10% PTS, 10% AGS, 10% MMC   ,30%项目有帮助的人, 前面这些60%至少冻结3个月,后面的40% 则根据狗币,BTC的排行进行分配。换句话说即使他有30%也是冻结的?因为BTC与狗币分配的应该不是很多,但是这些是不会被冻结,猜得没错这次主要是向BTC与狗币的持有人进行推广。因为两种币持有的人多,这种推广策略确实不错。其实我感兴趣的不是他的分配方案,也不是他的算法,这个币价值还有生存期。
而是这个DAC的玩法
从42个数字中选择3-6个号码投注任意数量股份.开奖号码从区块链中随机生成
6 个号码 = 1,000,000 倍
5 个号码 = 5,000 倍
4 个号码 = 100 倍
3 个号码 = 10 倍
感觉还不错
我想这种彩票投注的方式以后涉及博彩方面DAC可以借鉴一下,毕竟能够提出这样投注式玩法的DAC不多。
这个就是单色球的玩法而已,
锁定60天的一个DAC ,就当没送而已, PTS 和AGS 和MMC 就是陪太子读书,
github.com :pureland
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