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Do you think Brian Page should be fired from the marketing director position

Yes, fire him
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No, he is doing fine
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Voting closed: September 06, 2014, 05:15:26 PM

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Offline DonJoe

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Petition to fire Brian Page
« on: May 29, 2014, 05:15:26 PM »

I have been asking questions about the marketing strategies to MktDirector (who is taking $100k/y salary from AGS and wasting shareholders' money on awful marketing), including the new site, outsourcing social media, his effort in other forums, his assistant and transparency of money spent . This is the answer I got:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4658.msg61757#msg61757

Base on the fact of the bitshares marketing failure, I petition to vote firing him and get a new marketing director before further damage.

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 05:50:18 PM »
To me it looks like this (trying to be as objective as possible):

Interviews: Superb.
Website: Now good but very ineffective.
Making ties in the crypto space and with other third parties: Not seen anything yet but hard to tell.

Brian is great! Keep him! But I would appreciate it if he would come to appreciate the forum and use it for himself in terms of organizing BTT / crypto space marketing and in terms of appreciating the feedback he gets here. There are a lot of talented people here. Leverage them. Overall I do see quite a bit of room for improvement but I am positive he is a talented guy who can work it out!
« Last Edit: May 29, 2014, 05:57:09 PM by delulo »

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 06:19:41 PM »
Against. I think Brian's value will become much more clear when we actually have a product we're trying to sell to normal people.

I have grown to support him  more and more. Before it used to bother me that Charlie H managed to get the whole bitcoin space hyped up over nothing (~*turing complete*~!!) while all our good ideas go unnoticed. But we're only going to be in "early adopter" phase for so long. After that we need smooth talking good looking charismatic people who can simplify and clarify and talk to the media. The crypto nerds will get on board when the dacs hit coinmarketcap in any case.

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Offline onceuponatime

Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 06:22:22 PM »
Against. I think Brian's value will become much more clear when we actually have a product we're trying to sell to normal people.

I have grown to support him  more and more. Before it used to bother me that Charlie H managed to get the whole bitcoin space hyped up over nothing (~*turing complete*~!!) while all our good ideas go unnoticed. But we're only going to be in "early adopter" phase for so long. After that we need smooth talking good looking charismatic people who can simplify and clarify and talk to the media. The crypto nerds will get on board when the dacs hit coinmarketcap in any case.

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Agreed. Brian will be invaluable in the future when there are actual products released.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2014, 06:23:54 PM by onceuponatime »

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 06:26:15 PM »
DonJon, your posts have been too aggressive to answer although I agree that some questions need to be answered.

I suggest you end this poll and split your questions into different topic without personal attack. You are big shareholder, we are all trying to make bitshares successful.
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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2014, 06:26:31 PM »
Brian is great! Keep him! But I would appreciate it if he would come to appreciate the forum and use it for himself in terms of organizing BTT / crypto space marketing and in terms of appreciating the feedback he gets here. There are a lot of talented people here. Leverage them. Overall I do see quite a bit of room for improvement but I am positive he is a talented guy who can work it out!
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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2014, 06:30:08 PM »
It is a challenge to market a product that is still in development, and will be for an unspecified amount of time.

With that said, it would be great if we could see more production, someone working full time on marketing earning a very generous salary should be producing more and interacting more with the members of the forum who volunteer their time to the cause.

The press section of the website has some respectable brands with nice articles/interviews, but most of them are from 2013, January and February (one from early march) - what has happened in the past 80 days on this?

The social media needs to be updated more often - the twitter page has several 4-5 day gaps without any updates. A full time marketer should be able to come up with something relevant to update at least once per day.

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2014, 06:42:34 PM »
I support Brian. He's lying in wait until the DACs come close, and then you'll truly get to see him in action.

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2014, 06:51:57 PM »


I fully support Brian.

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2014, 06:57:55 PM »
I fully support Brian.
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Offline CalabiYau

Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2014, 07:16:29 PM »
DonJon, your posts have been too aggressive to answer although I agree that some questions need to be answered.

I suggest you end this poll and split your questions into different topic without personal attack. You are big shareholder, we are all trying to make bitshares successful.
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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2014, 07:31:11 PM »
What we should remember is that it is difficult for us on the forum to see what is being done all day. Therefore we should not be easy to judge and be patient. What what it also implies is that communication is helpful. Xeroc's suggestion about marketing updates is a good one imo.

Anyway trust and support (also by friendly and constructive critique) is most motivating and I am pretty certain Brian will give it back many times!

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2014, 07:47:52 PM »
I agree it's hard to market a product that hasn't arrived, which creates a difficult situation.

I think if we are confident we can get this right in a reasonable time-frame then there is no problem.  I also think Brian has been good in interviews and seems he would be an asset if we get something to market.

I also think we need to be very realistic about the potential delays and technical challenges ahead.  We have had unexpected delays and donations have slowed considerably.  It would be a horrible shame if we ever got to the point that developers had to stop work to look for other work or we had to pass up on hiring great developers because we ran out of money before the goals and vision were accomplished.

I don't know enough to do that calculus but I know it's very difficult to be realistic with people you have become friends with so it would be hard for bytemaster to get rid of people even if it was a necessary business decision, so the community needs to be brutally realistic. We can survive with just developers if we absolutely need to.  Of course we all hope this isn't the case and we will have products that need marketing soon.

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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2014, 07:58:32 PM »
Wha I am interested in is weather 100k yearly is considered a "usual" loan for a marketing director.

Weather brian is doing a job can be reevaluated in 6 months once a producted is there to be marketed.
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Re: Petition to fire Brian Page
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2014, 08:22:21 PM »
Yes, 100K for a good marketing person is not unusual. I have a feeling it will seem like a bargain in a few months.

 

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