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I guess 98 percent ppl are losing a lot, only 3i and bitshares teams are the winning. (This is the fact! I am not talking about future and the pass, only the fact!)

The reason I think caused this is because the bitsahres wallet still not being officially released. Millions of dollars donation, and couldn't finish a wallet within 4 months?

I bet CS major student in their forth year. some of the projects are even harder than this single wallet. yet they can handle five or more projects or courses in 4 months. This is also the fact. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Why not just hiring ppl finish this thing ASAP, you guys have a lot of money to hire good programmers and finish it in one month. This is also the fact!

Ppl are losing confidence cause of the slow progress. This is another fact.

I'm only saying the fact. you can also state the fact against, but it has to be legit ones.

At last, i just don't think a single wallet should take more than three month to code when you have millions of dollars.

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I guess 98 percent ppl are losing a lot, only 3i and bitshares teams are the winning. (This is the fact! I am not talking about future and the pass, only the fact!)

The reason I think caused this is because the bitsahres wallet still not being officially released. Millions of dollars donation, and couldn't finish a wallet within 4 months?
How are we gaining from the loss of PTS value?
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I bet CS major student in their forth year. some of the projects are even harder than this single wallet. yet they can handle five or more projects or courses in 4 months. This is also the fact. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Two of us turned down offers from Google, two graduated from a top 4 CS school. Some projects in school were more conceptually challenging, sure, but that has nothing to do with development time.

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Why not just hiring ppl finish this thing ASAP, you guys have a lot of money to hire good programmers and finish it in one month. This is also the fact!
Simply inaccurate, if you have talent please refer.

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Ppl are losing confidence cause of the slow progress. This is another fact.

I'm only saying the fact. you can also state the fact against, but it has to be legit ones.

At last, i just don't think a single wallet should take more than three month to code when you have millions of dollars.
"A single wallet"... I think you are not in a good position to judge complexity of software, sorry.
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Why not just hiring ppl finish this thing ASAP, you guys have a lot of money to hire good programmers and finish it in one month. This is also the fact!
Simply inaccurate, if you have talent please refer.
Actually, I had a friend graduated from McGill with 50,000 scholarship when he got in. And I know what he's been doing is harder than this. How much you can offer him out of the millions if he can finish this whole project within two months by himself alone?

BTW, 95% of his CS courses at UVIC are A+, maybe he can get me a commission if you can offer him a position.

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Actually, I had a friend graduated from McGill with 50,000 scholarship when he got in. And I know what he's been doing is harder than this. How much you can offer him out of the millions if he can finish this whole project within two months by himself alone?

Great, give us contact info if he is interested.

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And I know what he's been doing is harder than this.

Again, *conceptual difficulty* is independent of *development time*. School projects are *harder* but have *ten times less BS overhead* you have to implement.
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Why not just hiring ppl finish this thing ASAP, you guys have a lot of money to hire good programmers and finish it in one month. This is also the fact!
Simply inaccurate, if you have talent please refer.

All I know is that he's working as Software Developer at validus, and used for IBM. Does that help?

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Actually, I had a friend graduated from McGill with 50,000 scholarship when he got in. And I know what he's been doing is harder than this. How much you can offer him out of the millions if he can finish this whole project within two months by himself alone?

Great, give us contact info if he is interested.

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And I know what he's been doing is harder than this.

Again, *conceptual difficulty* is independent of *development time*. School projects are *harder* but have *ten times less BS overhead* you have to implement.

All i want to say that is this the best you guys put on this project with this much money in your pocket?

How much you can offer a guy like this, maybe i can get shares or commissions if he join the team?

better not contact him if we both know he will deny the offer. it's all about money at some point.

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Speaking of IBM, here is some wisdom from them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

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The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering is a book on software engineering and project management by Fred Brooks, whose central theme is that "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later". This idea is known as Brooks' law, and is presented along with the second-system effect and advocacy of prototyping.

Brooks' observations are based on his experiences at IBM while managing the development of OS/360. He had added more programmers to a project falling behind schedule, a decision that he would later conclude had, counter-intuitively, delayed the project even further.
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Speaking of IBM, here is some wisdom from them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

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The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering is a book on software engineering and project management by Fred Brooks, whose central theme is that "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later". This idea is known as Brooks' law, and is presented along with the second-system effect and advocacy of prototyping.

Brooks' observations are based on his experiences at IBM while managing the development of OS/360. He had added more programmers to a project falling behind schedule, a decision that he would later conclude had, counter-intuitively, delayed the project even further.

But, are you guys comparing yourself with IBM right now? all the BTS believers just want the team to put 110 % commission into the project. when you have the money, spend it.

are you going to argue me that if you giving away 1 million to hire someone to finish a single bitshare wallet in one month, that won't happen?

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Actually, I had a friend graduated from McGill with 50,000 scholarship when he got in. And I know what he's been doing is harder than this. How much you can offer him out of the millions if he can finish this whole project within two months by himself alone?

Great, give us contact info if he is interested.

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And I know what he's been doing is harder than this.

Again, *conceptual difficulty* is independent of *development time*. School projects are *harder* but have *ten times less BS overhead* you have to implement.

All i want to say that is this the best you guys put on this project with this much money in your pocket?

How much you can offer a guy like this, maybe i can get shares or commissions if he join the team?

better not contact him if we both know he will deny the offer. it's all about money at some point.

When you want to hire top talent you had better be able to assure them that you have work for them over a long enough horizon to make changing jobs worthwhile.  Burning the whole budget over two or three months and then laying everybody off is an obvious non-starter.  And it would not be effective per the classic Mythical Man Month reasons.   Everything we do is optimized for sustainability of the industry over the mid to long term.  If you want quick flash-in-the-pan profits, invest in the latest flavor of the month.

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are you going to argue me that if you giving away 1 million to hire someone to finish a single bitshare wallet in one month, that won't happen?

Precisely! (except for the "single wallet" part... we're not just building a wallet for an existing system).
Find me a credible software project manager who would say otherwise.

"You can't get 9 women together and tell them to make a baby in 1 month."

(if anyone is wondering, I'm only posting during compiles - if anything would speed us up it's a faster c++ compiler)
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are you going to argue me that if you giving away 1 million to hire someone to finish a single bitshare wallet in one month, that won't happen?

Precisely! (except for the "single wallet" part... we're not just building a wallet for an existing system).
Find me a credible software project manager who would say otherwise.

"You can't get 9 women together and tell them to make a baby in 1 month."

(if anyone is wondering, I'm only posting during compiles - if anything would speed us up it's a faster c++ compiler)

I've got a pile of obsolete mining equipment you can use.  :)
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Actually, I had a friend graduated from McGill with 50,000 scholarship when he got in. And I know what he's been doing is harder than this. How much you can offer him out of the millions if he can finish this whole project within two months by himself alone?

Great, give us contact info if he is interested.

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And I know what he's been doing is harder than this.

Again, *conceptual difficulty* is independent of *development time*. School projects are *harder* but have *ten times less BS overhead* you have to implement.

All i want to say that is this the best you guys put on this project with this much money in your pocket?

How much you can offer a guy like this, maybe i can get shares or commissions if he join the team?

better not contact him if we both know he will deny the offer. it's all about money at some point.

When you want to hire top talent you had better be able to assure them that you have work for them over a long enough horizon to make changing jobs worthwhile.  Burning the whole budget over two or three months and then laying everybody off is an obvious non-starter.  And it would not be effective per the classic Mythical Man Month reasons.   Everything we do is optimized for sustainability of the industry over the mid to long term.  If you want quick flash-in-the-pan profits, invest in the latest flavor of the month.

 :)

but there is a thing called contract !  Dan
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are you going to argue me that if you giving away 1 million to hire someone to finish a single bitshare wallet in one month, that won't happen?

Precisely! (except for the "single wallet" part... we're not just building a wallet for an existing system).
Find me a credible software project manager who would say otherwise.

"You can't get 9 women together and tell them to make a baby in 1 month."

(if anyone is wondering, I'm only posting during compiles - if anything would speed us up it's a faster c++ compiler)

your logic flows away about the baby thing. a fly can live one day, doesn't mean you can't survive for more than one day. let's just not wasting time on this please. make at least more mature statement i guess is you being responsible for those who helped and invest money for you people.
 

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are you going to argue me that if you giving away 1 million to hire someone to finish a single bitshare wallet in one month, that won't happen?

Precisely! (except for the "single wallet" part... we're not just building a wallet for an existing system).
Find me a credible software project manager who would say otherwise.

"You can't get 9 women together and tell them to make a baby in 1 month."

(if anyone is wondering, I'm only posting during compiles - if anything would speed us up it's a faster c++ compiler)

ur baby thing really made me lmao... or is it really the baby thing? so wut im getting is that because 9 women together can't make a baby in 1 month, which means bitshares wallet can't be released within three months?

if this is not wut u trying to say, than y making this kind argument?

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if the whole affair was as simple as releasing a wallet, it would have been done by now.

Invictus is not building pieces of unrelated software that exist in a vacuum (like most CS projects). they are literally industry pioneers attempting to create a software ecosystem. over the past few months the scope of their operation has expanded and despite some hiccups, they've been very transparent about what's been happening development-wise. This is a fact.

personally, this new vision excites me much more than the original plan ever did, however it has also pushed back the development of a Bitshares X wallet. But ONLY in the name of improving Bitshares X! This is a fact.

If you haven't had a chance to follow, Bitshares XTS, which is the Bitshares X test chain, is available and appears to be coming along quite nicely. It is more robust, sustainable, and feature rich than originally planned. This is a fact, and it is also why it has taken more time to see a wallet released. It is an entirely different beast than developing a dime-a-dozen PoW wallet.

 

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