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Get rid of init delegates
« on: July 21, 2014, 01:18:43 AM »

We need to "get rid off"/"vote out" init delegates as they are just clogging up active delegates list. Any ideas how? Ask DSL to unvote them?
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 01:43:03 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 01:50:10 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 01:51:45 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
True - They should have started with much lower votes.  Also, there should be more than 100 delegates.

Offline liondani

Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 01:59:52 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
True - They should have started with much lower votes.  Also, there should be more than 100 delegates.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 02:10:41 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
True - They should have started with much lower votes.  Also, there should be more than 100 delegates.

They did start with very low votes, < 0.01%, but some share holders choose to approve them.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 02:16:04 AM »
They did start with very low votes, < 0.01%, but some share holders choose to approve them.


Interesting.  I chalk it up to the Monopoly phase (it doesn't seem like real money).  Also, I guess they are trusted delegates.

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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 02:26:34 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
True - They should have started with much lower votes.  Also, there should be more than 100 delegates.

They did start with very low votes, < 0.01%, but some share holders choose to approve them.
"some share holders"...I can hardly find any other party with 3.9% BTSX besides 3I:

So, conservatively, 3I holds at least 4.8% of all BTSX in circulation.
Can 3I prove that they didn't vote those init*** delegates using those 4.8% BTSX?

I guess It may be due to security reasons, give time to delegates to well prepared, not just rush in without good service.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 02:30:29 AM »

I guess It may be due to security reasons, give time to delegates to well prepared, not just rush in without good service.

Most delegates have already prepared during last 10 Dry runs.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 02:34:05 AM »

"some share holders"...I can hardly find any other party with 3.9% BTSX besides 3I:


There seems to be a strange concentration of votes currently, with a few whales and a bunch of init delegates with huge vote stakes taking up all of the active delegate list. I wonder what is going on.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2014, 02:48:21 AM »

I guess It may be due to security reasons, give time to delegates to well prepared, not just rush in without good service.

Most delegates have already prepared during last 10 Dry runs.

From the point of free market, any shares holder can do what way they want, the reason for them to do that way is to protect and improve there share values, and that's the point of pos.
With approval voting, 3% is not high at all, most shareholders seems choose wait and watch which delegate are good guys and they want vote.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2014, 02:59:30 AM »
I guess It may be due to security reasons, give time to delegates to well prepared, not just rush in without good service.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2014, 03:03:55 AM »



They should go away naturally as real delegates get votes.

They have way too many votes to begin with. They should be gone as soon as there are enough real delegates.
True - They should have started with much lower votes.  Also, there should be more than 100 delegates.

They did start with very low votes, < 0.01%, but some share holders choose to approve them.
"some share holders"...I can hardly find any other party with 3.9% BTSX besides 3I:

So, conservatively, 3I holds at least 4.8% of all BTSX in circulation.
Can 3I prove that they didn't vote those init*** delegates using those 4.8% BTSX?

I guess It may be due to security reasons, give time to delegates to well prepared, not just rush in without good service.
I take it that you (HackFisher) has admitted that 3I is behind those 3.9% votes, but for *good* reasons.

Actually, I don't know anything about these votes, you should not put my guess and saying that I have admitted something.
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Offline toast

Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2014, 03:06:57 AM »
3I the company probably did not put those votes.
If by "3I" you mean one of the whale members (dan, stan, bo, greg, etc) then probably you are right.
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Re: Get rid of init delegates
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2014, 03:18:01 AM »
3I the company probably did not put those votes.
If by "3I" you mean one of the whale members (dan, stan, bo, greg, etc) then probably you are right.

Thanks for the reply, Toast.
By *3I the company* you mean the entity behind ELmZgzRQCKeEKM6ifgTqNkC4ceiAWw and those 61,000 PTS, right?
If so, shouldn't those BTSX derived from ELmZgzRQCKeEKM6ifgTqNkC4ceiAWw be publicly viewable, i.e., which BTSX address did ELmZgzRQCKeEKM6ifgTqNkC4ceiAWw get imported to?

In theory yes, but I'm not really motivated to find out... I do not think init* having a high % votes for the first while is a problem. Just wait until those funds start voting for real and then people will really start to complain.
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